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To: Claud
There are plenty of people today who don't oppose vaccination in general but who oppose particular vaccinations on moral grounds (made from aborted fetal stem lines) or medical grounds (the particular adjuvants used) or just a cost-benefit analysis (i.e. letting a kid just get chicken pox instead of the varicella vax).

If a particular vaccine is made using a cell line originally derived from an aborted baby, you can often find another manufacturer that has a different formulation, made using another cell line. You certainly have the right to insist that you or your children receive a more ethically produced vaccine.

Note: vaccines made using cell lines derived from aborted babies do not, in fact, require the killing of more babies to produce the vaccine. Once a cell line is established, it can be maintained indefinitely.

If you care about fetal cows, however, you will have issues with many vaccines, since serum extracted from fetal cows is a common component of cell culture media. Fetal cows are harvested when their mothers are slaughtered.

I should point out that vaccine researchers are, in fact, aware of the objections to using cells derived from an aborted baby to produce vaccines. Many researchers test the suitability of a range of cell lines to find the ones with the best characteristics for growing a specific vaccine virus, and avoid using the aborted baby cell lines. For vaccines that are already approved, however, it is not a trivial matter to change the cell lines used for viral growth. Any vaccine produced using a different cell line than the one used for the FDA approved vaccine has to be rigorously tested and shown to be equal in safety and efficacy before the FDA will allow it to be sold and used.

Even from a cost-benefit analysis, any vaccine is a better choice than the disease. Compare the cost of a chicken pox vaccination--around $80 to $100, according to the CDC--with the cost of doctor visits, medicines, and staying home from work to care for a sick child. Chicken pox kills only rarely, but it can have permanent disabling effects and is more likely to kill or disable unborn babies than school age children (because babies essentially do not have immune systems, which develop after birth and continue developing until the teen years). In addition, once a person gets chicken pox, the virus moves into nerve cells and stays there forever. Everyone who has had chicken pox carries the virus, and about 1 out of 3 will develop shingles at least once.

When you start talking about mandatory vaccines, you are taking the choice away from the parents and putting it in the hands of a bureaucrat. So you are not only signing up for the full vaccination schedule now, you are signing up for any schedule that the "experts" deem necessary in the future. If you push for mandatory ones now....what, pray, are you going to do when there's something about the official schedule that you don't like?

The recommended vaccine schedule is not just a matter of individual health, but of population health. The Supreme Court already ruled, decades ago, that mandatory vaccination is constitutional.

The thing about public health is that it overrides any individual "rights." You do not, for example, have the "right" to drive your car on crowded sidewalks, or to disobey inconvenient traffic laws. By the same measure, you do not have the "right" to expose others to communicable infectious disease. In certain cases, you can be confined or forcibly quarantined if you are ill and deemed to present a danger to others.

49 posted on 08/01/2015 8:01:17 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

PS-MOST vaccines are for easily communicable diseases....sneezing, etc. To contract HPV, a person has to come into contact with the virus....skin to ‘open wound’ type skin. Wart to secretory area. It CAN be avoided. And yes, I know there are flat lesions that aren’t apparent to the naked eye. That’s why kids should be warned about the possibility of contracting HPV from someone who may ‘look’ healthy.


50 posted on 08/01/2015 8:51:23 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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