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Iran orders from China 150 J-10 fighter jets that incorporate Israeli technology
DEBKAfile ^ | July 30, 2015

Posted on 07/30/2015 10:25:56 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Iran is about to conclude a transaction with China for the purchase of the Chengdu J-10 multirole jet fighter, known in the West as the Vigorous Dragon, according to an exclusive report from DEBKAfile’s military and intelligence sources. Beijing has agreed to sell Tehran 150 of these sophisticated jets.

While the Chinese J-10 is comparable to the US F-16, our sources report that it is virtually a replica of the Lavi, the super-fighter developed by Israel’s aerospace industry in the second half of the 80s. Israel sold China the technology, after Washington insisted on Its discontinuing the Lavi’s production. The US also objected to the sale of the Lavi’s avionics, claiming that it contained some American components.

The Chinese plane comes in two versions – the multirole single-seat J-10A and the two-seat J-10B, which serves for training, ground assaults and electronic warfare.

Iran has additionally weighing the purchase in Moscow of 250 highly-advanced Sukhoi-Su-30MK1 twinjet multirole air superiority fighters, known in the West as Flanker-H.

On Wednesday, July 29, an Indian Air Force Su-30MK1 took part for the first time in a British air maneuver, Rainbow, where it dueled with the European Typhoon fighter.

The sophisticated Flanker has been found to have a major shortcoming. To carry eight tons of ordnance, it must use both of its AL-31FP engines, and the transition from one to two – and the reverse - often causes engine failure.

The Indian Air Force has reported three such malfunctions in a month, as well another shortcoming: The time needed for making the aircraft serviceable is too long. As a result, only half of the Indian fleet can be airborne at one time.

In a confrontation, the Iranian Air Force may find that, because of these drawbacks, the Chinese Su-30MK1 is outmatched by its American and European counterparts in the service of the Israeli, Saudi and UAE air forces.

On July 22, DEBKAfile revealed that Moscow and Tehran had concluded a giant transaction for the acquisition of a fleet of 100 IL78 MK1 (Midas) in-flight refueling planes for extending the range of its warplanes up to 7,300 km and able to refuel 6-8 planes at once.

DEBKAfile: The scale of Iran’s multibillion acquisitions from China and Russia – 550 warplanes in all so far - indicates that Tehran’s top spending priority upon receipt of the funds released by the removal of sanctions, is to be a spanking new air force.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aerospace; china; iran; israel; j10; lebanon; russia; waronterror
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J-10B

1 posted on 07/30/2015 10:25:57 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’m sure that $150 billion that we’re giving them for the nuke agreement is paying for them


2 posted on 07/30/2015 10:27:55 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

NUKE IRAN 1ST


3 posted on 07/30/2015 10:31:30 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse

Hopefully there’;s a hidden line of code,,,,,,,


4 posted on 07/30/2015 10:33:48 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Serves Israel right.


5 posted on 07/30/2015 10:36:02 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Israel, it’s time to get busy.

If you’re going to take out the nuke plants, this is the only window you’re going to get.

Obama will do nothing but pee his pants. Go for it.


6 posted on 07/30/2015 10:36:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now remember honey, if you can't remember your name, just tell the police JEB. John Ellis "Jeb" Bush)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

the entire Iranian air force should be turned into smoking heaps of wreckage on their air field some fine night


7 posted on 07/30/2015 10:36:48 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse

Yes. And a naval blockade. Shut them off.


8 posted on 07/30/2015 10:40:07 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: DoughtyOne
If you’re going to take out the nuke plants, this is the only window you’re going to get.

I'd imagine that Israel pops Iran before the end of September, if not sooner.

9 posted on 07/30/2015 10:52:33 PM PDT by Mr Apple (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCrO2SPsYjI)
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To: JohnBrowdie; LeoWindhorse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCrO2SPsYjI


10 posted on 07/30/2015 10:55:14 PM PDT by Mr Apple (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCrO2SPsYjI)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
.......................The Chinese plane comes in two versions – the multirole single-seat J-10A and the two-seat J-10B, which serves for training, ground assaultsand electronic warfare.

Our power grid?

11 posted on 07/30/2015 11:00:30 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: sukhoi-30mki
On Wednesday, July 29, an Indian Air Force Su-30MK1 took part for the first time in a British air maneuver, Rainbow, where it dueled with the European Typhoon fighter.

The sophisticated Flanker has been found to have a major shortcoming. To carry eight tons of ordnance, it must use both of its AL-31FP engines, and the transition from one to two – and the reverse - often causes engine failure.


Tough situation for the wannabe powers without modern defense industries - buy from the Russians and accept some engine failures, or buy from the US and accept us shutting down components and spare parts if they engage in a war Congress or the president don't approve of. All in all, I'd go with the Russians and their engine failures - at least some of those planes will get in the air.
12 posted on 07/30/2015 11:16:22 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Mr Apple

I had thought they wouldn’t have waited this long.


13 posted on 07/30/2015 11:19:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now remember honey, if you can't remember your name, just tell the police JEB. John Ellis "Jeb" Bush)
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To: Irish Eyes

Electronic warfare is for jamming enemy planes radar, communications, radar sites, data transmissions, and such.

If possible.


14 posted on 07/30/2015 11:27:42 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: DoughtyOne

Only have range to about 1/3 of Iran, even with extended tanks.

It’s a long, long ways and Iran is a very, very large country. Sites are spread out all over the place.


15 posted on 07/30/2015 11:38:40 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

HA! HA! They can’t afford those ...Oh, wait...


16 posted on 07/30/2015 11:47:48 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Eagles6
Just remember.

ONE Trident-armed sub can ruin a tyrant's whole day.

Once we have a natural-born President whose parents were both Americans, that is.

17 posted on 07/30/2015 11:50:53 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
And the balls to use it.

BTW you're excluding Ted Cruz.

18 posted on 07/31/2015 12:06:10 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
...All in all, I'd go with the Russians and their engine failures - at least some of those planes will get in the air.

Why do you think the Russians place any fewer restrictions on the use of their aircraft than the US?

The big difference is that the Russians do it more quietly than the US.

19 posted on 07/31/2015 12:31:05 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: SaveFerris
Only have range to about 1/3 of Iran, even with extended tanks.

It’s a long, long ways and Iran is a very, very large country. Sites are spread out all over the place.

Never, never underestimate the abilities of Israel and her citizens.

Seemingly miraculous things will happen when the time arises.

Or an asymmetric strike may happen in a way that looks innocent at first. Say a few percent of the workers at an Iranian facility develop a disease which is fatal after a month or two. How many of the rest will go back to work?

20 posted on 07/31/2015 12:43:26 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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