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In ten to thirty years, the survivors will speak out (Homosexual Agenda)
Mercatornet ^ | // | Michael Kirke

Posted on 07/30/2015 7:27:09 AM PDT by wagglebee

The New York Times reported this week  that the American Boy Scouts are ending a nationwide ban on gay leaders. According to the Times, the organization was seeking to resolve an issue that threatened to tear apart the organization and expose it to crippling lawsuits. Discrimination based on sexual orientation will also be barred in all Boy Scout offices and for all paid jobs. The step, the paper says, is aimed at heading off lawsuits in New York, Colorado and other states that prohibit such discrimination in employment.

It's a pity, however, that the Times missed a shocking story which emerged at the same time as jubilation over the new policy. If they had the stomach for it, it might make readers think twice about the wisdom of allowing the Boy Scouts to have gay leaders.

It is the story of Moira Greyland, a woman who has made a career for herself as a harpist of Celtic music and the founder of two opera companies in the United States. She is the daughter of two American writers. Her mother, Marion Zimmer Bradley, who died in 1999, was a revered author of science fiction and fantasy novels. Her best-known book is the Mists of Avalon, a feminist reimagining of the Arthurian legend. Her second husband, and Moira’s father, Walter Breen, wrote books on numismatics. But her parents had other interests, too.

The story emerged last year when a blogger published two searing autobiographical poems written by Greyland. It was already a matter of public record that Breen was a convicted child abuser who died in jail in 1993. But no one had known how Moira’s own mother treated her. “She was cruel and violent, as well as completely out of her mind sexually,” she wrote in an accompanying email. The news was so convincing that other science fiction writers were horrified and speechless. Some of her fans burned her books.

This week, Greyland gave more details about her childhood on another blog.

"Suffice to say that both parents wanted me to be gay and were horrified at my being female. My mother molested me from ages 3-12. The first time I remember my father doing anything especially violent to me I was five. Yes he raped me. I don’t like to think about it."

Bradley and Breen were part of the gay and bi-sexual subculture of West Coast America. That they were paedophiles was just an added extra, as their daughter testifies.

Greyland writes of her father's profound disgust with her gender, despite his many relationships with women and female victims. "He told me unequivocally that no man would ever want me, because all men are secretly gay and have simply not come to terms with their natural homosexuality." In all this Greyland is exposing, as she sees it, the deep corruption of human nature which is at the heart of modern gender ideology. This virulent strain of gender ideology is determined to use the gay movement -- seen in some quarters as little more than a harmless manifestation of love and affection between people of the same sex -- to advance the total liberation of human beings from any restraint on sexual desire and behaviour.

Greyland is uncompromising in her analysis of what is really going on in this subculture, now fast becoming anything but a "sub" culture:

“Now for all well-meaning people who believe I am extrapolating from my experience to the wider gay community, I would like to explain why I believe this is so. From my experience in the gay community, the values in that community are very different: the assumption is that EVERYONE is gay and closeted, and early sexual experience will prevent gay children from being closeted, and that will make everyone happy.

“If you doubt me, research 'age of consent', 'Twinks', 'ageism' and the writings of the NUMEROUS authors on the Left who believe that early sexuality is somehow 'beneficial' for children.”

She also says that what sets gay culture apart from straight culture is the belief that early sex is good and beneficial. They really believe that the only way to produce another homosexual is to provide a boy with sexual experiences before he can be 'ruined' by attraction to a girl.

“If you’re OK with that, and you might not be, it is worth your consideration.  If you think I am wrong, that is your privilege, but watch out for the VAST number of stories of sexual abuse AND transgenderism that will come about from these gay 'marriages'.  Already the statistics for sexual abuse of children of gays are astronomically high compared to that suffered by the children of straights.”

Greyland's father preyed on young boys. Eventually the word got around and a man who had given him a place to stay in Los Angeles realized his son was of the age to be a target. This resulted in Breen's conviction on 13 counts of varying kinds of forcible sexual offenses. He died in prison in 1993. She ruefully tells us that "although my mother was perfectly well aware of my father’s crimes, and so was my 'stepmother' [her mother's lesbian lover], I was disbelieved almost up to the moment of his conviction, and discounted as 'hysterical'.“

Greyland identifies a process at work in this culture. She says it should be noted that boy-lovers do not think of what they are doing as “molestation”.  To them it is consensual sex. She then describes the evolution which has taken place in her own thinking about the gay movement in the light of what she has been forced to live through. It began to dawn on her that:

"" ... maybe the gayness WAS an issue. Naturally, I had been brought up to be completely tolerant. Years ago I read (Jeffrey) Satinover, who believed that gays were largely 'pansexual' that is, preferring sex with EVERYONE of EVERY age and EVERY gender rather than wanting to be limited to one person, and he regarded it, credibly, as a moral and ethical problem, rather than a sexual 'orientation'...”

Her interpretation of her parents actual beliefs is this:

“Since everyone is naturally gay, it is the straight establishment that makes everyone hung up and therefore limited.  Sex early will make people willing to have sex with everyone, which will bring about the utopia while eliminating homophobia and helping people become 'who they really are'. It will also destroy the hated nuclear family with its paternalism, sexism, ageism (yes, for pedophiles, that is a thing) and all other 'isms'. If enough children are sexualized young enough, gayness will suddenly be 'normal' and accepted by everyone, and the old fashioned notions about fidelity will vanish.  As sex is integrated as a natural part of every single relationship, the barriers between people will vanish, and the utopia will appear, as 'straight culture' goes the way of the dinosaur.  As my mother used to say: 'Children are brainwashed into believing they don’t want sex'.

“I know, I know.  The stupidity of that particular thesis is boundless, and the actual consequence is forty-year-olds in therapy for sexual abuse, many, many suicides, and ruined lives for just about EVERYONE.  But someone needed to say it.  Will anyone hear it?  There were six Johnny Does at my father’s trial, who would not testify, and two victims, who did.  One of the victims I am in touch with.  He was silenced so fiercely by fans of my mother years ago that he is not able to talk about it to this day.  I don’t know the fate of all the Johnny Does, but I do know one of them is dead in his forties from an eating disorder, never having been able to talk about what happened, and I know at least one of the people on the list of 22 names I gave the cops as a potential abuse victim died from suicide last year.  I also know a number of victims of my father who would not testify because they love him.  As a personal note, I can understand why: of my parents, he was by far the kinder one.”

Moira Greyland met Katy Faust – on whose blog she has published this searing account of her experiences – online. (Faust is one of the six children of gays who filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court opposing gay marriage prior to the Obergefell judgment.) Her views have hardened on the issue: it IS homosexuality that is the problem. It IS the belief that all sex all the time will somehow cure problems instead of creating them that is the problem. Greyland continues:

“So I have begun to speak out against gay marriage, and in doing so, I have alienated most of even my strongest supporters. After all, they need to see my parents as wacky sex criminals, not as homosexuals following their deeply held ethical positions and trying to create a utopia according to a rather silly fantasy. They do not have the willingness to accept the possibility that homosexuality might actually have the result of destroying children and even destroying the adults who insist on remaining in its thrall.

“Naturally my perspective is very uncomfortable to the liberal people I was raised with: I am 'allowed' to be a victim of molestation by both parents, and ‘allowed’ to be a victim of rather hideous violence. I am, incredibly, NOT ALLOWED to blame their homosexuality for their absolute willingness to accept all sex at all times between all people.

“But that is not going to slow me down one bit. I am going to keep right on speaking out. I have been silent for entirely too long. Gay 'marriage' is nothing but a way to make children over in the image of their 'parents' and in ten to thirty years, the survivors will speak out.

“In the meantime, I will."

In ten to thirty years, what will former Boy Scouts say about some of their openly gay adult leaders and employees? Will Moira Greyland be saying, “I told you so”?

Michael Kirke lives in Dublin and blogs at Garvan Hill


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To: 2banana

and the homosexuals will have all their assets and estate gifts granted over the years.

Seems it is time for last will and trust gifts to have a “morals clause” which precludes homosexual advocacy as a condition.


21 posted on 07/30/2015 8:42:11 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: 2banana
The Boy Scouts of America won’t be around in 30 years..

Correction; America won’t be around in 30 years.

No nation in history has ever turned it's back on God and remained a great and powerful nation, and the US won't be the first.

Galations ch 6 v 7, Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

That verse also applies to nations as well as to individuals, and it's almost reaping time for America. A few years ago I wouldn't have believed how fast the US is now being corrupted by homosexual depravity or how many Americans approve that depravity.

As a bible believing Christian I am appalled and utterly disgusted by the Supreme Court's judicial legalization of so-called homosexual "marriage" Actually there is no such thing as homosexual marriage. Marriage was designed by God as the one and only moral and legal institution for the propagation of the human species, and no court in all the world has authority to change His design. I don't wish any harm for homosexuals, but they should be warned that God's word says that the "effeminate" will be damned to eternal hell unless they repent and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I didn't say that, God did, so if anyone disagrees take it up with Him.

22 posted on 07/30/2015 8:45:39 AM PDT by epow (Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: LouAvul

The lyrics to Silent Running come to mind:

Swear allegiance to the flag
Whatever flag they offer
Never hint at what you really feel
Teach the children quietly
For some day sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still


23 posted on 07/30/2015 8:47:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: onedoug

keep them out of the BSA.

As well as churches, schools, libraries, playgrounds...the list is immense...


24 posted on 07/30/2015 8:51:39 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (build)
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To: arthurus

BSA should move its HQ to MA, the Homosexual State.

Maryland, Oregon, and California would all do just as well...


25 posted on 07/30/2015 8:59:42 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (build)
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To: dfwgator
We do seem to have a doomsday mentality on FR, but there is One Thing we're ignoring. God isn't done with America.

I'm reminded of my Old Testament studies. Elijah was dismayed at the evil that had overrun Israel. All was lost, in his eyes. But God shared with him the thousands who were still faithful, and God's plans to set some things right.

I have faith He'll "set some things right."

26 posted on 07/30/2015 8:59:46 AM PDT by LouAvul (There is no more GOP. There is RAT, and RAT lite.)
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To: silverleaf

>>the obsession with sex among homosexual culture

Except what they’re obsessed with isn’t Sex, but a reprobate and covetous facsimile thereof.

Sex is the natural process through which Nature increases fitness of species ala the genetic exchange between Male and Female.


27 posted on 07/30/2015 9:00:07 AM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
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To: LouAvul

I think America is going to have to stare directly into the abyss for that to happen.


28 posted on 07/30/2015 9:00:50 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: IrishBrigade

>>As well as churches, schools, libraries, playgrounds...the list is immense...

Meanwhile they’ve flourished and overrun secular corporations (and other collective-corporate bodies) from within.

Hence the establishment of “fiscal” “conservatism” - which is really nothing more than the post-modern rendition of worshiping of the Golden Calf.


29 posted on 07/30/2015 9:05:20 AM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
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To: silverleaf

“Am I forgetting anything?”

Chastity belts.


30 posted on 07/30/2015 9:08:35 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: IrishBrigade

Without parental supervision, you’re absolutely right. But the BSA has shouted their endorsement of homosexuality without reservation throughout society.

But you’re certainly free to sign up your sons.


31 posted on 07/30/2015 9:26:50 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: dfwgator

I recently added that song to my playlist on Spotify. The song has been tunning through my mind as I read the news.


32 posted on 07/30/2015 9:38:06 AM PDT by kalee
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To: wagglebee

I would hope that Scouts will have a pocket knife, a hatchet, a .22LR rifle, or some other appropriate tool available when (not if - when) these evil people cross that line. Predators who abuse children are an immediate danger to the innocent, and such dangers should be removed from our society.


33 posted on 07/30/2015 9:53:48 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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