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To: nathanbedford
no one seems to actually read the articles, or, heaven forbid, put al gore's innerwebz to good use and read other articles.

no one thought we would win this one. the test will be later this week.

“The first Obamacare vote on Sunday will have a 60 vote threshold, and Democrats will likely block it,” Lee said in a statement. “But thanks to the sequencing of the votes we just locked in, Republicans will have the opportunity resurrect that Obamacare amendment later on in the process, and put it back before the Senate in a manner that only requires a simple-majority vote.”

80 posted on 07/26/2015 3:56:56 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: JohnBrowdie

knees always jerk on cue


81 posted on 07/26/2015 3:57:57 PM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
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To: JohnBrowdie

The vote should never have occured as is to begin with. Did you miss Cruz’ speeches?


82 posted on 07/26/2015 3:59:46 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: JohnBrowdie
John, I have read the article and I am aware of the possibility of bringing Obama Care up for a straight up vote on repeal which, even if successful, will fail in an attempt to override Obama's veto. Beyond the value of putting these Rinos on record, the rest is pure political theater which we nevertheless ought not to despise as we approach the election.

But my motivation for taking my leave of any moral obligation to support the Republican Party is not because of this last affair in the Senate, it was not even precipitated by the rebuke of Sen. Cruz. The blatant lies of Mitch McConnell who was then supported by his lieutenants in the Senate is sufficient but not necessary cause, the justification having been clear for some time. The fact that his lieutenants then undertook to kill the messenger only reinforced the only obvious conclusion and the only moral choice for a conservative: to abandon party loyalty and actually work against the Republican establishment even if it costs an election.

As I said in the previous post, this is a hard decision. It is not taken lightly and the consequences have been soberly considered. We are not about winning an election, we are about saving our constitutional democracy.

That does not mean that this point in the primary season that I believe we should support Donald Trump, we have Ted Cruz and Walker to support. My position with respect to Donald Trump is to let him have his say while we patiently point out his biography and history in the expectation that his meteoric rise will see its eclipse as more and more conservatives know the facts of Donald Trump and as Donald Trump confirms every criticism out of his own mouth.

To return to the idea of withdrawing support from the party and even working against its establishment, I'm not at all sanguine about this prospect. I have seen how the establishment destroyed the Tea Party as an effective instrument and I expect that all maverick movements will be assailed by all the money and all the media at the establishment's disposal. John Boehner and Mitch McConnell will wield their considerable powers ruthlessly in defense of their positions. I have no doubt if an election is in the balance, they will ruin if they cannot rule. We have come to the point where we must with "unflinching fortitude behold, accept, and deal with reality no matter how unpleasant the prospect" and unflinchingly take the ultimate step.

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110 posted on 07/27/2015 12:06:12 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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