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For clarity - Australia currently has a conservative coalition government (in Australia, the Coalition is a more or less permanent alliance between the two largest conservative parties, the city based Liberal Party, and the rural National Party - they match policies so closely they probably would have merged (and indeed have in a couple of states) except that the Nationals are worried that without their separate voice, rural issues would be given less priority than urban ones. It's not a temporary coalition like, for example, that which was recently in place in the UK just because of electoral mathematics - it's operated here for most of the period since 1923 (it has occasionally been suspended, especially at a state level but it's the norm).

On the other side of politics, we have the current opposition - the Labor Party. There's a host of minor parties (some more minor than others) but realistically any Australian government will either be Coalition or Labor.

This reversal of policy by Labor is quite stunning. It involves them accepting that the policies they had in place from 2007 to 2013 when they were in government lead to the deaths of over 1200 people (Labor admits to 1200 - it may have been much higher) after years of denial. It involves the success of a coalition policy they have been bitterly opposing and fighting. It is also going to send a large part of the Australian left into a frenzy as the party they support adopts a policy they've been hysterically describing as evil, fascist - they're not going to know what to do.

Outside of politics, it's really quite simple. Australia has a massive coastline, and lies just to the southeast of Asia. As a modern, industrialised western democracy, a lot of people would like to live here. Australia has long been willing to take a reasonable number of genuine refugees who are genuinely fleeing despotic governments, but they have to come here on our terms after we've checked their claims, and we've decided that they are not likely to be a threat to us. They can't be allowed to simply turn up here on our coast by boat - especially as nearly all those boats are coming from Indonesia, which while it certainly isn't as nice a place to live as Australia, is nonetheless a safe place for refugees to wait for resettlement. We decide who comes here.

But besides that, there is also a genuine moral concern for the safety of these people. Travelling here by boat requires crossing at least hundreds of miles of open ocean. It's dangerous, especially when its often done in vessels that really are not designed for such journeys. People die on this journey - boats sink, and sometimes the people smugglers these people pay - who are, after all, criminals out for money - aren't all that concerned about actually making sure everybody who gets on their boat is still on it when it gets to Australian waters. Australia will always respond to the best of our ability to a call for distress from a boat at sea. But even with the best will in the world, we cannot rescue everybody in a sea area covering thousands of square miles. The only way to keep these people safe is to stop them getting on the boats in the first place - and that's why the government adopted the policy of turning back the boats and putting people in offshore detention for processing. It's quite simple - we send the message that if you try to come here by boat, it won't work. You will not make Australia home. We will send you back to Indonesia if it is safe to do so, or if we have to rescue you, we well, but you will go into a camp on Nauru or in Papua New Guinea or somewhere else for processing to see if you are a genuine refugee. You may as well stay in Indonesia and get processed there. That's your best chance to be allowed in. Once this message was made clear, a lot fewer people risk the sea voyage.


1 posted on 07/22/2015 2:16:37 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

I wish America would follow suit with a policy like that.


2 posted on 07/22/2015 2:21:28 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Isn't it funny that Socialists never want to share their own money?)
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To: naturalman1975
IIRC Australia pays one or more countries to take in people who've requested asylum in Australia.Sounds good to me.Australia doesn't have to take in uneducated people totally unfamiliar with Western ways,the country receiving these refugees get the much needed cash and the refugees no longer have anything to fear (assuming their fears were legitimate to begin with).

I wonder how much it would cost to convince some country to take in the 30 million Spanish speakers who are in the US illegally.

3 posted on 07/22/2015 2:32:04 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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To: naturalman1975

Nice. Now they can start campaigning for the “sharks with friggin’ laser beams” border security policy.


4 posted on 07/22/2015 2:33:03 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: naturalman1975

What’s with all of the arabic in that flyer?

On a different note, if I, as an english speaking American, with skills useful to you and your fellow Australians, washes up on shore for some odd reason (wink-wink), can I claim refugee status?

Can I perhaps claim status as being a refugee from Obamistan, or maybe texamexiforniastan?

I promise I won’t take up much room, and I already live in the high desert, so the outback would be just like home.


6 posted on 07/22/2015 2:42:00 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: naturalman1975

Thanks for the Aussie politics primer. I’ll have to verify my new neighbor’s leanings. I’m pretty sure he’d be a Coalition guy.


9 posted on 07/22/2015 2:57:08 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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