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ATF Works With FBI And VA To Get Veterans’ Guns Taken Away
dailycaller.com ^ | 7/21/2015 | Patrick Howley

Posted on 07/21/2015 8:03:27 AM PDT by rktman

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To: lavaroise
Anyone volunteer to protect veterans when the ATF come knowcking at their doors?

I don't think anyone here would turn that opportunity down. The problem isn't that. The problem is that we won't know about it until it's over with.

41 posted on 07/21/2015 9:05:39 AM PDT by dware (Yeah, so? What are we going to do about it?)
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To: PGalt

Dismantle VA and ATF, AMEN!


42 posted on 07/21/2015 9:15:10 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: rktman

We need to march on Washington with our guns and shoot anyone who gets in the way.


43 posted on 07/21/2015 9:18:19 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: dware

Walker’s my guy - Cruz is my second... You’re right dware - Trump’s pushing the field... it’s good...


44 posted on 07/21/2015 9:34:45 AM PDT by GOPJ (They are not undocumented and they are not immigrants. They are illegal aliens. Lurkinnamloomin)
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To: rktman; All
If one is not competent to manage their won finances...the check is mailed to somebody else to dole out on their behalf, based, ostensibly, on what is good for the receiver...they should not have a firearm.

It's prima facie proof they are, at least, unstable.

I have absolutely no problem with this.

The person has either claimed, or been adjudicated "incompetent" to manage their own affairs.

Do you want them to have a firearm?

45 posted on 07/21/2015 9:55:36 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: Mariner

Depends on who the judge was. Is missing a few payments cause? Is there a footnote to the 2nd that says “unless you can’t handle your money?”


46 posted on 07/21/2015 9:57:46 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: Mariner

I absolutely agree with this, the problem I see is with legal overreach.

Once the precedent is set, the expansion is easy, to those with green eyes or ... or...

Currently guns and mental incompetence are handled on a case by case basis. And I think it should continue.


47 posted on 07/21/2015 9:57:49 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Mariner

The question is now whether a person in that condition should be in possession of a firearm. The question is whether an unelected bureaucrat should get to decide the question, rather than a court (or, heaven forbid - a real Congress).


48 posted on 07/21/2015 10:01:19 AM PDT by Pecos (What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.)
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To: rktman

49 posted on 07/21/2015 10:03:50 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: rktman
"Is missing a few payments cause?"

For the VA or SSA to declare a person INCOMPETENT to manage their own affairs, it requires a doctor's judgement AND circumstantial proof.

My sister currently takes care of my dementia afflicted mother and manages her funds. It was not a fast, or easy process. Doctors, social workers, and finally, a judge were required to make this happen.

You would not want to meet my mother if she had a firearm. She hallucinates and goes into fits of rage.

50 posted on 07/21/2015 10:05:05 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: rktman

This kind of lawless krap couldn’t happen with any decent American president ( of either party). Elections do indeed have consequences, especially when congress and the courts are compromised, complicit, or bought off ,


51 posted on 07/21/2015 10:32:45 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (For in much wisdom is much vexation; and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.)
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To: rktman

These dumb asses don’t have the brains to run our Country let alone our lives.


52 posted on 07/21/2015 10:58:54 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: rktman

Figures. The US government wants to take guns away from people that need them the most.


53 posted on 07/21/2015 11:12:23 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The use of the name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: longfellow
We need to march on Washington with our guns and shoot anyone who gets in the way.

Yeah, that'll work.

54 posted on 07/21/2015 1:40:21 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer
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To: Mariner
If one is not competent to manage their won finances...the check is mailed to somebody else to dole out on their behalf, based, ostensibly, on what is good for the receiver...they should not have a firearm. It's prima facie proof they are, at least, unstable. I have absolutely no problem with this.

Great. We can add you to the list of traitors when things get sporty.

The Federal government has no such power to do this, and if you know the Constitution, you know that. So, why support tyranny?

55 posted on 07/21/2015 1:43:00 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer
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To: backwoods-engineer
"Great. We can add you to the list of traitors when things get sporty. "

Pretty strong words for a newbie.

And in fact it is not the Federal Government that does this.

It's done by order of a State Judge. And it's based on the well-founded precedent that the mentally deficient cannot purchase or possess a firearm legally.

Just who is it you think gets relieved of their right to purchase a firearm? Some pu$$y that cries so much he needs prozac?

It's people who have DEMONSTRATED themselves incompetent to administer their own affairs...a very high threshold in every jurisdiction.

Oh, one other thought: You feel pretty brave with your words in a virtual environment, but I assure you that you would be far more likely to crawl in a corner and piss yourself than to say it to my face.

56 posted on 07/21/2015 2:07:18 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: Mariner
Oh, one other thought: You feel pretty brave with your words in a virtual environment, but I assure you that you would be far more likely to crawl in a corner and piss yourself than to say it to my face.

Unlikely that I would say it to your face. I avoid tyrants and their supporters if I can.

I must also note you seem pretty "sporty" in a virtual environment.

And oh yeah: not a noob. Been around here since the early 00's, just didn't comment for a long, long while. Might soon go "dark" again. Bet you'd be happy about that.

57 posted on 07/21/2015 7:25:15 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Then we’ll go with your idea.


58 posted on 07/23/2015 8:49:18 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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