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To: Hulka

I’ve always enjoyed your posts as well. And I appreciate your good advice! Cheers!


171 posted on 07/20/2015 3:44:58 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Mr Rogers; Hulka

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134833vol1.pdf

Terms have distinct meanings and acts have well-defined criteria to meet.

Achievement is a process that can be described by an adjective as ‘fair’, ‘excellent’, ‘superior’, ‘exemplary’ even ‘heroic’.

The word ‘achievement’ is not an act but a process. And I said there were no ‘acts’ of heroism while a POW in McCain’s record. I have found none. I saw the citation for ‘achievement’ but manuals make a clear distinction in terms between that and acts. When a military lawyer or lawyers sat down ti draft McCain’s citation, they chose the word ‘achievement’. That was not an accident or random sloppiness. If there were ‘acts’ they would have listed and described them.

You seem to think you are the only one that could find McCain’s award citations on the internet after I first told you there were no acts for heroism cited in McCain’s record as a POW. Yet I had the citations before you mentioned and had read them presumably before you found them.

So what are the specific ‘acts’ as a POW related to McCain’s heroism? I don’t think you csn answer because there are none.

You found ‘heroism’ in a citation for his flying over North Vietnam. I found that too; it’s not difficult. But that was a standard award for pilots that flew similar sorties over North Vietnam.

Why do you think the media did NOT report McCain as a ‘hero’ pilot for flights over North Vietnam? Was he an ace pilot? Why didn’t they play that part up? It’s pretty obvious why they did not do that. Do you consider him a ‘hero’ for flying missions over North Vietnam? Why? I, myself consider any pilot that flies into enemy territory against fire as worthy of the deepest respect. as a ‘brave’ warrior and in some circumstances a ‘hero’ if the mission saved lives.

But the question was not about McCain’s citations for flying, it was about his acts as a POW. I. myself believe each POW in the HH was to be commended as a survivor against near impossible odds of survival. But what specific acts did McCain do that saved the lives of others? There were without doubt specific acts by Admiral Stockdale that have been documented, cited and archived but none by McCain. What’s your information on what acts McCain did as a POW to save lives?

And why did McCain admit this morning that he was not a hero as a POW but that others inside the HH were? Why is that?

Answer those questions and I’ll give you credit. I just don’t think you can. Prove me wrong.


174 posted on 07/20/2015 4:22:01 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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