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Audie Murphy and Alvin York were war heroes.

McQueeg was a POW.

1 posted on 07/19/2015 9:59:18 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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Could you also say York and Murphy were just lucky they did not become POW’s and McCain was unlucky.

And let us know the next time you strap yourself in a cockpit, catapult off an aircraft carrier, and then fly into the heaviest anti aircraft fire the world had ever seen.

Trump and Franklin aren’t the only loud mouth morons around.

42 posted on 07/19/2015 10:53:27 AM PDT by Ditto
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What was he supposed to do? Kill the entire North Vietnamese Army with two broken arms and a broken leg?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Prisoner_of_war

John McCain's capture and subsequent imprisonment began on October 26, 1967 He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi [34][35]McCain fractured both arms and a leg ejecting from the aircraft,[36] and nearly drowned when he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake [34] Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him [34] McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton" [35]

Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to treat his injuries, beating and interrogating him to get information; he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral [37] His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of major newspapers [38][39]

McCain spent six weeks in the hospital while receiving marginal care [34] By then having lost 50 pounds (23 kg), in a chest cast, and with his hair turned white,[34] McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi[40] in December 1967, into a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live a week [41] In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years [42]

In mid-1968, John S McCain Jr was named commander of all U S forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[44] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[45] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially [44] McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured [34]

In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain [46] He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery [34][46] Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, stopped by guards [34] Eventually, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession" [34] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point I had reached mine "[47][48] Many American POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements;[49]virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors [50] McCain subsequently received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements [51]

McCain refused to meet with various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory [52] From late 1969 onward, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable,[53]while McCain continued actively to resist the camp authorities [54] McCain and other prisoners cheered the U S "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms [48][55]

Altogether, McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years He was released on March 14, 1973 [56] His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head [57]

43 posted on 07/19/2015 10:54:43 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Men need a reason to shop. Women need a place.)
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The key thing here is not whether Al Franken said it, or whether anybody else ever did, or even whether it’s true or not.

And, to be completely open, I wished DT could find a gracious way to climb down a little bit while preserving his manhood, to show who’s the better man.

But that does not matter now, because the eye of Sauron has turned on Trump, and whatever the truth is, and whoever has said worse things in the past, they will ask him 24/7 about this until they break him or he breaks them.

All politicians on our team (I say team because I can’t tell how many are on our side) - all of them inevitably fold under the gaze of Sauron. It’s important, if Trump wants the job, that he not do so.


50 posted on 07/19/2015 11:06:52 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.hich)
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Pretty awkward statements all around, but they both have a point: we used to celebrate those who accomplished heroic things in service to others. Now we build monuments to victims, because the bigger a victim you are, the more you’re a hero.

It is a perverse and defeatist trend.


53 posted on 07/19/2015 11:09:52 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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So why such a contrast in reactions to Al Franken and Donald Trump?

Franken is a commie, Trump is an American, the MSM are commies.

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Pat Caddell called it.

Pat Caddell slams the media: They have become an “enemy of the people” Sept. 29, 2012(video 26:00)

Emotional Pat Caddell on the MSM ignoring Benghazi: “These people have no honor!” Oct. 27, 2012 (video at link 4:06)

CADDELL ON BENGHAZI: PRESS HAS FAILED THE COUNTRY, FACTS WILL PUT OBAMA IN DEEP TROUBLE May 13, 2014

The MSM are enemies of the people!

71 posted on 07/19/2015 11:58:53 AM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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The reason why no one gave a hoot when Franken said it is because the media has an agenda here..remember in 2008 how the media licked McCain’s fanny and called it ice cream..because they KNEW McCain was NO threat to Obama, but the second McCain became the nominee, BAM they attacked him left and right..they see Trump as the biggest threat to Hillary Clinton, the second Trump is gone they will push whatever progressive Republican they consider the least threat to Clinton


72 posted on 07/19/2015 11:59:23 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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yep


73 posted on 07/19/2015 12:10:16 PM PDT by rrrod (Just an old guy with a gun in his pocket.)
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“Well Al Franken did it so that makes it ok” is not a ringing endorsement.


74 posted on 07/19/2015 1:04:20 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Changing the name of a thing doesn't change the thing. A liberal by any other name...)
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Conservatives don’t like Stuart Smalley either.

Since you’re cherry-picking, go ahead and tell me this guy wasn’t a hero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Denton


76 posted on 07/19/2015 1:13:43 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("No social transformation without representation." - Justice Antonin Scalia)
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John McCain's merely having been captured does not, automatically, make him a war hero.

However, his refusal to accept the enemy's special treatment, and go home--and his endurance of torture for five years, as a result of that--does make him a war hero, in my opinion.

84 posted on 07/19/2015 10:23:56 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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