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To: saleman
-- I just can't quite figure out why the Cossacks would show up spoiling for a fight, with the Police presence obviously there. --

It's a mistake to look for an entire group motive, I think, at least one assignable to Cossacks or Bandidos. But it's pretty easy for one or two hotheads to stir up crap.

The only group that it "makes sense" came to Twin Peaks with gunfight in mind, is the cops.

And if I was the cops, and I started this mess, you can bet your bottom dollar I'd be pointing my finger at the other guy.

55 posted on 07/18/2015 11:35:20 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

The only group that it “makes sense” came to Twin Peaks with gunfight in mind, is the cops


Yep.

Well, here is my speculation then. What if it was sort of a “joint venture” thing between Law Enforcement and Cossacks. At least Cossack leadership. It seems the Cossacks wanted to take the Bandidos down a peg or two and the Cops were licking their chops to get something on them. Things just got out of hand?


56 posted on 07/18/2015 11:44:30 AM PDT by saleman (?)
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To: Cboldt

very astute.


59 posted on 07/18/2015 12:03:46 PM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: Cboldt

Jimmy Graves, Bandidos officer and TCOC president at the Waco shooting, says they respect the police for doing their job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_sCRg69TQE

(Big John Snyder, Vice president of the Boozefighters at the Waco shooting) “The police were professional, considering the situation they were in. They were professional and doing their job,” he said.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-waco-biker-20150519-story.html

We have also heard from a biker family member that the police probably saved lives at Waco.


61 posted on 07/18/2015 12:13:00 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Cboldt

“The only group that it “makes sense” came to Twin Peaks with gunfight in mind, is the cops.”

They don’t deny they had intelligence that something was going to happen; but . . . how could they have known something was going to happen, if no one else in either club did?

This from the site posted:https://amyirenewhite.wordpress.com/2015/06/17/another-eyewitness-to-police-slaughtering-bikers-in-waco/

“also that morning Wayne Campbell member of the Cossacks told his ex wife he was picking up two of his brothers in his pick up and heading to waco and probably wasn’t coming back! Prior to leaving gave her money for kids and separate money for car part and repair, you can verify that with ——.”

~Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, dead, Cossack Road Captain, shot in the head and trunk, shot by Unknown; he fired back but was quickly killed.~ I think he is Sidetrack.
...

Campbell knew something was likely going to happen to the extent he doubted he would live through it. In true gang loyalty, he went with his “brothers”, willing to die for his patch and his gang if necessary, and leave his kids fatherless. Which he indeed accomplished. Sadly all around, especially for his kids.


79 posted on 07/18/2015 1:40:57 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Cboldt

PS to my last post.

It is even stranger. Campbell was a Cossack Road Captain from Dallas. He didn’t ride with his club in normal fashion as Road Captain, but went in a pick-up with a couple of his “brothers.”

The blog to which this post is linked implies that Cossacks were called to ride to Waco as late as Sunday morning, for a show of force. Maybe the Cossacks from Dallas were only those who arrived in that truck. Not enough time to rally the Dallas Cossacks??

Anyway, something changed FAST, and whatever it was that initiated the call to ride to Waco ON THE DAY ITSELF, it was not only the Cossacks who got a call.

Most of the arrested bikers from Dallas were Bandidos and affiliated clubs. Indeed, the Bandido who was disrespected, leading to the mayhem and deaths — Martinez, was the Bandido Club President from Dallas.

His Sgt at Arms allegedly shot Richie, Chain, step-son of Big O, at close range, the first death. I have not known who the Sgt. of Arms is. Maybe there are clues among those from Dallas who were arrested.

I count in addition to Martinez who was released on the original $1 million bond:
Christopher Joseph Carrizal, Bandido, released, 200,000, foreiture

Matthew Ryan Folse, I do not know his club, released, 75,000

Michael Scott Herring, I do not know his club, released, 45,000

Sergio Reyes, Desgraciado MC (Bandido support), released, 25,000

Ricky Wayne Wycough, Vaqueros President Dallas County, released, 50,000, forfeiture

Of course not being a resident of Dallas County, I searched only by “Dallas” so do not know if others arrested were nearby.

Is Carrizal the Dallas County Sgt. at Arms?


83 posted on 07/18/2015 2:18:58 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Cboldt

That is what they have their fifth column on each Waco thread doing. They answer each question they are asked, no matter what the question pertains to, with Outlaw Motorcycle gang.


104 posted on 07/19/2015 5:58:47 AM PDT by sport
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