Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

California gasoline prices rise further as lengthier supply chain is strained
Energy Information Administration ^ | July 15, 2015 | Energy Information Administration

Posted on 07/16/2015 5:42:06 AM PDT by thackney

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-26 next last


1 posted on 07/16/2015 5:42:06 AM PDT by thackney
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: thackney

California sits on a puddle of oil and is the logical destination for Alaska crude tankers...


2 posted on 07/16/2015 5:46:20 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: thackney

California and Oregon gas prices up. Environmental fringe lunatic liberals are Celebrating. They want to tighten the noose even more to strangle oil use.


3 posted on 07/16/2015 5:46:58 AM PDT by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

Don’t most of those Alaska tankers go to Japan?

Just watching the left coast and going “hmmm” , since there is nothing new here under the sun

What might the big guys know


4 posted on 07/16/2015 5:51:23 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Sasparilla
California and Oregon gas prices up. Environmental fringe lunatic liberals are Celebrating. They want to tighten the noose even more to strangle oil use.

Well, they can swallow their own frog, sleep in their own messy bed, or whatever slang your want to use. Let them build their own refineries and stop driving up the cost to me outside their granola land (land of fruits and nuts) state.

5 posted on 07/16/2015 5:53:10 AM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: thackney

More regulation from CARB will solve this.


6 posted on 07/16/2015 5:58:30 AM PDT by Neidermeyer ("Our courts should not be collection agencies for crooks." — John Waihee, Governor of Hawaii, 1986-)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: silverleaf

Don’t most of those Alaska tankers go to Japan?

- - - - - -

The Japan export is basically a false legend. Look at a map.

It is 3,577 miles from Valdez, Alaska to Tokyo, Japan.

It is 1,274 miles from Valdez, Alaska to Anacortes, Washington. (largest Washington refineries)

It is 2,253 miles from Valdez, Alaska to El Segundo, California (major refinery near Los Angeles)

Until 1996 it was illegal to export Alaskan North Slope Crude oil because of the Congressional Approval used to create the pipeline.

In the mid-late 1990’s, because of a glut of oil on the West coast, this was relieved and less than 5% of ANS crude was exported. That quit by 2000.


7 posted on 07/16/2015 6:01:33 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks
California sits on a puddle of oil and is the logical destination for Alaska crude tankers.

Most stop in Washington but the remaining go to California. The problem is the dwindling flow.

Alaska North Slope Crude Oil Production
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MANFPAK2&f=M

8 posted on 07/16/2015 6:04:38 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: thackney
West Coast spot gasoline prices typically trade at a premium to prices in other regions of the country because of the region's unique product specifications and relative isolation from other domestic and international markets.

Isolation? Bull crap. I remember reading that local CA environmental laws have 32 different "blending" rules for distillate fuels to keep the tree-huggers happy. On top of that, CA fights any proposed power or refinery construction, outlaws offshore drilling, and otherwise throttles production and supply at every turn. Not a problem as long as they are happy paying for their wishes.

9 posted on 07/16/2015 6:04:40 AM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: thackney

“unique product specifications” and “gasoline blending requirements” — code for government over-regulation, most likely driven by liberals.


10 posted on 07/16/2015 6:05:21 AM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: thackney

Kalifornians are the most clueless people on earth. They vote liberal because that’s their mantra. Then when they see themselves in the middle of a third world and economic sewer they wonder why. They’re like children who depend upon a television program for a world view.


11 posted on 07/16/2015 6:05:44 AM PDT by LouAvul (Venal and evil people are destroying the world you live in.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: thackney

Too bad much of Alaska is off limits...


12 posted on 07/16/2015 6:08:11 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: thackney

The “leaders” now in charge of the dictatorial regime that has overtaken California have declared war on most of the symbols of middle-class affluence, primarily automobiles and suburban growth. The ongoing efforts to regulate out of existence the sources of power and expansion of the existing economic base, through taxation and making cost of doing business so restrictive, that there is a net outflow of capital and talent from that once highly favored land.

Unfortunately, with the outflow of capital, there has also been an outflow of the same kind of non-critical thinking that put California in such a bind to begin with. Are snail darters REALLY more important than getting lettuce and almonds to the supermarket? Once, California was the great beacon that drew millions there from the drought-stricken new deserts of Oklahoma and Arkansas, on the promise of plentiful water from the system of dikes, sloughs, and dams that had been constructed in California beginning in the early years of the 20th Century, and made what was once semi-arid lands bloom with great profusion and fecundity, with an almost year-round growing season.

This prosperity built some really great fortunes, so much so that those who inherited those fortunes were subject to an onerous burden of guilt, and they, in their blind and tearful shame, proceeded to dismantle the very infrastructure which had created the vast fortunes to begin with. The dams were blown up, draconian measures for water use restrictions were instituted, and harsh punishments were laid down for infractions.

California used to be a leading oil production and refining center, the better to feed its growing network of roadways and vehicles to travel them, moving wealth in trucks, ships, and even airplanes, out to every other corner of America and even to foreign destinations. But now, power generation is considered “dirty” and a disgrace, so California is no longer self-sufficient in power sources, becoming a consumer that grabs away these resources in ever greater measure, and creating what is after all, a totally artificial scarcity and excessive pricing. After all, since competition is no longer feasible, where are the consumers going to go?

Elsewhere, it turns out, as the productive people flee California for more clement venues, lower taxation, and much greater plenitude of reasonably priced goods and services. Only the very wealthy, with their solicitous attitude on what is “best” for the common folk, and the very poor still remain, and “the rich” cannot be counted to give their “fair share” (which is EVERYTHING they now possess) to the support of the very poor.


13 posted on 07/16/2015 6:15:03 AM PDT by alloysteel (If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: thackney

That is true, exports of US crude have been restricted for decades although some recent sales ( South Korea 2014) pushed the law

Japan’s major supplier is middle east and obama ‘s deal with his Iranian pen pals will possibly flood the market with Iranian oil once sanctions lifted

Oil that must pass through waters increasingly subject to Chinese hegemony over the western Pacific

I wonder if the new obamatrade treaty deal with the
Pacific Rim will end up directing more of our oil to China Japan etc? Since no one in Congress read it before they capitulated

We live in interesting times


14 posted on 07/16/2015 6:17:09 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

Also too bad that much in state control is taxed out of economic use.

~40% of Alaska not under federal control. A little smaller area than Texas and ~60% than California.


15 posted on 07/16/2015 6:17:27 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: alloysteel

do the wealthy control or do the city riff raff control?


16 posted on 07/16/2015 6:17:50 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: silverleaf

California and Washington State still need to import oil. They won’t be getting enough by railroad from the Bakken to come close to replacing the dwindling Alaskan Supply.

They are going to pay market prices, and it is cheaper to move the oil 1/3 ~ !/2 the distance.


17 posted on 07/16/2015 6:23:04 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

California drivers pay 71 cents per gallon in taxes.

Los Angeles average price $4.28
Minneapolis/St Paul, Minnesota is $2.69
http://www.gasbuddy.com

Thousands more taken out of your pocket.


18 posted on 07/16/2015 6:31:07 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: bert

The wealthy withdraw their support of maintaining the civil order, or worse, fund the growth of organizations like “Occupy Oakland” or “Occupy Berkeley” or”Occupy Watts”, or wherever civil unrest is the instrument to break up the existing order.

This will never reach THEIR homes, of course. William Randolph Hearst’s Castle at San Simeon was but an extreme example of this insular kind of life, but there are many much smaller (but still opulent) enclaves where the “common folk” shall never enter.

Until they storm the gates.


19 posted on 07/16/2015 6:31:15 AM PDT by alloysteel (If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: econjack

It seems to me that virtually EACH and EVERY problem I read or hear about concerning California can be labeled as “proudly” SELF-INFLICTED.
A dire water shortage can be traced directly to-——.
A heavy rise in fuel price can be traced directly to—.
A scary rise in crime can be traced directly to-——.
You’d think that at least a few retain some sanity.
I guess NOT.


20 posted on 07/16/2015 6:47:28 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (N.Y.Times: We print the news as it fits our views)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-26 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson