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US soldiers opposed to war now find Canada less hospitable
Associated Press ^ | Jul 12, 2015 4:18 PM EDT | Carolyn Thompson

Posted on 07/12/2015 5:01:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai

When Army Sgt. Patrick Hart decided a decade ago that he would not serve in the war in Iraq, he expected to follow the same path as thousands of American war resisters during the Vietnam era and take refuge across the border.

But after five years of wrangling with the Canadian immigration system, he came back to the U.S.—and ended up in a military prison.

The country that once welcomed war resisters has developed a much different reputation during the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan: Supporters say no U.S. soldier who has sought legal residence in Canada, either as a refugee or on humanitarian grounds, has been successful.

“Nobody’s won,” said Hart, a Buffalo native who exhausted his legal options then turned himself in to the Army, was court-martialed for desertion and sentenced to two years in prison.

There are an estimated two dozen U.S. military members still waiting out their fate in Canada, and the resisters’ movement is seen as nearing a crossroads. …

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TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: deserters; desertion; iraq; patrickhart; rop; runovertocanada
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To: PAR35

Shouldn’t.

But the world is crazy.


21 posted on 07/12/2015 5:47:05 PM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: Olog-hai
Mr. Hart -

Please go to Mexico. Clearly, they have plenty of room. They are not at war, at present, so I am sure you can enjoy a peaceful life.

I wish you nothing but the best. However, please refrain from ever referring to yourself as a "model soldier" ever again. You did not do your duty as a soldier. You are an embarrassment to the NCO corps. You disgraced your country, your unit and your uniform.

Enjoy Mexico!


Volunteer

22 posted on 07/12/2015 6:11:04 PM PDT by Volunteer (Though I know that the hypnotized never lie, do ya? - The Who)
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To: DoughtyOne

Not to compare, but I always admired Rhett Butler’s stand in “Gone With The Wind”. Here was this blockade runner who had railed such against the South entering into war, (”I’m the only cause I’m interested in.”) knowing how it was going to turn out, and just as the South is falling to it’s knees he runs off and joins the Confederacy.

Though that seems to have profited him too. But he couldn’t have known that at the time.

What a great story, all around.


23 posted on 07/12/2015 6:20:10 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: DoughtyOne

I didn’t volunteer. ..God I hated the Left in those days...

I guess I was pretty well programmed to join the military. A long ago Cousin in the Army in WWI was killed in the Meuse Argonne offensive. My Dad was in the South Pacific till 1945. His twin brother was a waist gunner on an 8th AF B17, a Cousin served in Korea 1952. Everyone in the family went into the military. Seems like everybody my age I knew went to Viet Nam. They bitsched about it, but they went.
So, I just did it.


24 posted on 07/12/2015 6:28:27 PM PDT by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Sasparilla

Well, with that history you’ve tipped us all off that your surname is not Romney or Sununu!


25 posted on 07/12/2015 6:33:44 PM PDT by MSF BU (Support the troops: Join Them.)
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To: DoughtyOne
In 1969, I graduated from college and got my draft notice. I joined the Air Force instead of going into the Army. Later that fall, I drew a 310 in the lottery and with that number I would never have been drafted had my timing been several months different.

I served my four years in the Air Force and met my wife, an Air Force nurse practitioner and got married. We celebrate our 40 year anniversary this fall.

So I have not regrets or complaints about how the bad timing of the draft lottery affected me so many years ago.

26 posted on 07/12/2015 6:47:10 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: Olog-hai

Our Canadian allies lost men in the War on Terror. Why should they tolerate these maggots?


27 posted on 07/12/2015 6:48:33 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: onedoug

I enjoyed it too.

One of it’s most clear points IMO, was the anticipation and eagerness to wage war. They made the South look like it was itching for it.

Then you see the devastation. I sometimes grow sad watching some folks relishing the idea of a CW2.

Every time I do, I flash back to the scenes of the Southerners thinking it would be over in short order, them winning it all.


28 posted on 07/12/2015 7:18:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: Sasparilla

Good for you. I respect those who did a great deal. I don’t think there’s a more ardent supporter of the Vietnam Vet than myself.

When the Left was spitting on them, honestly, I wanted to shoot anyone doing it.

You can’t do that, but it infuriated me.


29 posted on 07/12/2015 7:20:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: HotHunt

Excellent story. I’m so glad it turned out so well for you.

Congrats!


30 posted on 07/12/2015 7:21:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks.

Sometimes in life, what first appears to be a disappointment or setback usually turns out to be an opportunity to change for the better.

31 posted on 07/12/2015 7:34:31 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: HotHunt

I agree. I am slow to change, so I’m as big an offender as there is to not buying in to change.


32 posted on 07/12/2015 7:37:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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33 posted on 07/12/2015 7:41:54 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Olog-hai

Why should Canada be a sanctuary for U.S. military
criminals? Are they truly political prisoners in the USA , under the threat of death and persecution as they allege?The only way that could be true these days is if they might be conservatives being persecuted by Obama.

The US armed forces are all volunteer now, no draft, unlike in the Vietnam era.


34 posted on 07/13/2015 12:47:31 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

The AP certainly makes no distinction; all those who flee into Canada from US military service they are now calling “refugees” no matter the status.


35 posted on 07/13/2015 12:57:14 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Candor7

Sorry; makek that “resisters”. (Wonder how many ohms?)


36 posted on 07/13/2015 12:58:01 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

While this is good for Canada (no one want’s border jumping cowards and freeloaders infesting them), it’s not so good for the US.

We had a real sweetheart deal with Canada. Our cowards went north and in return Canadians would come south and replace our cowards in the ranks with good, solid soldiers.


37 posted on 07/13/2015 10:41:53 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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