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With Threats, Bakers Who Refused to Make Lesbian Wedding Cake Warned to Do This (Pay Up) by Monday
CBN ^ | 7/9/2015 | TODD STARNES

Posted on 07/09/2015 7:46:17 AM PDT by xzins

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To: Red Badger

I’d add some ingredients...


21 posted on 07/09/2015 7:54:44 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (s)
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To: xzins

You’re right it is persecution to the highest level.


22 posted on 07/09/2015 7:55:12 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (MARANATHA)
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To: xzins

The larger Christian community needs to figure out how to push back against Brad Avakian in a meaningful and personal way along with the larger pagan left. So far it is just endless free shots against believers and fighting through the biased administrative and legal system is playing the enemy’s game.


23 posted on 07/09/2015 7:55:41 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: xzins

The larger Christian community needs to figure out how to push back against Brad Avakian in a meaningful and personal way along with the larger pagan left. So far it is just endless free shots against believers and fighting through the biased administrative and legal system is playing the enemy’s game.


24 posted on 07/09/2015 7:55:41 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Sacajaweau

No, you’d get into trouble with the laws on Terrorism for adding stuff like Ex-Lax to a chocolate cake........................


25 posted on 07/09/2015 7:56:26 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: xzins
Last week, I searched around in Oregon's discrimination laws, and found only one instance were a fine was defined with respect to discrimination (other than employment/housing, which were different). IIRC, it was limited to $1,000 per occurrence.

Punitive damages were not defined, and thus appear to be arbitrary.

659A.855 Civil penalty for certain complaints filed by commissioner.
(1)(a) If the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries files a complaint under ORS 659A.825 alleging an unlawful practice other than an unlawful employment practice, and the commissioner finds that the respondent engaged in the unlawful practice, the commissioner may, in addition to other steps taken to eliminate the unlawful practice, impose a civil penalty upon each respondent found to have committed the unlawful practice.
(b) Civil penalties under this subsection may not exceed $1,000 for each violation.
(2)(a) Notwithstanding subsection (1)(b) of this section, if a complaint is filed under ORS 659A.820 or 659A.825 alleging an unlawful practice under ORS 659A.145 or 659A.421 or discrimination under federal housing law and the commissioner finds that a respondent has engaged in an unlawful practice under ORS 659A.145 or 659A.421 or discrimination under federal housing law, the commissioner may assess against the respondent, in addition to any other relief available, a civil penalty:
(A) In an amount not exceeding $11,000;
(B) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection, in an amount not exceeding $27,500 if the respondent has been adjudged to have engaged in one other discriminatory housing practice during the five-year period ending on the date of the filing of the formal charges leading to the hearing; or
(C) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection, in an amount not exceeding $55,000 if the respondent has been adjudged to have engaged in two or more discriminatory housing practices during the seven-year period ending on the date of the filing of the formal charges leading to the hearing.
(b) If acts constituting the discriminatory housing practice that is the object of the hearing were committed by the same individual who has been previously adjudged to have committed acts constituting a discriminatory housing practice, the civil penalties listed in paragraph (a)(B) and (C) of this subsection may be imposed regardless of the period of time between the previous discriminatory housing practice and the discriminatory housing practice that is the object of this hearing.
(3) All sums collected as civil penalties under this section must first be applied toward reimbursement of the costs incurred in determining the violations, conducting hearings and assessing and collecting the penalty. The remainder, if any, shall be paid over by the commissioner to the Department of State Lands for the benefit of the Common School Fund. The department shall issue a receipt for the money to the commissioner. [2001 c.621 §9; 2007 c.903 §11; 2011 c.210 §5]

26 posted on 07/09/2015 7:56:35 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: xzins

*Explain how you get from the value of a cake to putting a lien on someone’s HOUSE other than by vindictiveness!*

Good point!
What’s a cake worth? a couple hundred bucks?

Maybe throw in 80 cents for gas so that the intolerant gay couple can drive to a bakery that is willing to make their perverse cake.

$200.80 is the maximum the suit should be


27 posted on 07/09/2015 7:56:44 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: PATRIOT1876
From his facebook page:

As Oregon's Labor Commissioner, Brad Avakian works to protect people treated unfairly, support local businesses and strengthen Oregon's workforce.

His choice, I suppose, on who to protect.

A true Marxist fascist.

28 posted on 07/09/2015 7:57:52 AM PDT by PROCON (CRUZing into 2016 with Ted.)
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To: xzins

Are they allowed to “TALK” about their persecution?

Have they filed a megacountersuit against the “judge”,
as an official and as a discriminatory antiConstitutional
individual, along with the women that started this
nonsense?


29 posted on 07/09/2015 7:58:05 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: MrB

Yep, and if they try to seize the house, I’d burn it down before they could take it.

Sure, I’d end up in jail for arson most likely, but if I’m going to be punished anyway, I might as well commit the crime.


30 posted on 07/09/2015 7:58:16 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: xzins

Do not give the homosexuals anything. Not one penny. Don’t retreat one inch. If the slime judge puts a lien on the property then make him enforce it. Any cop that comes to arrest the Kliens should be met with force. Pull a Bundy Ranch on them. Take it to the next level.


31 posted on 07/09/2015 7:58:31 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: xzins

If I were a baker in this situation I would make one gay wedding cake. I would then count on the gay community to spread the word about the quality of my gay wedding cakes. And, I would just have to accept that my gay wedding cake sales might plummet.


32 posted on 07/09/2015 7:58:34 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: xzins

The governor of Oregon is a lawyer and the first openly bisexual governor.

I’m sure she’d like to hear what you think about this: 503-378-4582


33 posted on 07/09/2015 8:01:39 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: The Toll
It is persecution and regardless of how it ends, the individual that is orchestrating that persecution will never be disciplined for it.

We all need to remember that this isn't just persecution and intimidation of the Kleins, it is a message and warning to all of us who might disagree with the pervert tyrants: toe the line and shut up or we will come for you next. It started this way in the 1930s with the Nazis first intimidating and persecuting individuals Jews, but it didn't stop there, and anyone who thinks it will stop with this hasn't learned from history. Look for a modern-day version of Kristallnacht next.

34 posted on 07/09/2015 8:01:56 AM PDT by chimera
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To: xzins

The problem is the Fascists face no consequences.

There is no recourse for those objecting to their lawless agenda.

Time to change that.....


35 posted on 07/09/2015 8:02:20 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: xzins

America is too far into communism to be able to stand up to Government. Wake up America!


36 posted on 07/09/2015 8:02:33 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: MrB
Is there a way we can help them refuse?

Unfortunately, tyrants only understand one language.

37 posted on 07/09/2015 8:02:51 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: xzins
The Kleins are being targeted personally with threats of financial harm if they do not consent to a government suppression of their rights of free speech and free association. Their attorney should institute a civil suit immediatley against the Ardvarkian guy personally- 42 U.S. Code § 1983
38 posted on 07/09/2015 8:03:15 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: manc

Have you not noticed Christians are under attack from all quarters.....
The Family Research is fighting fires as fast as they spring up...
Give it a break for mercy sakes.

And what have you done for the bakers, or Family Research lately?


39 posted on 07/09/2015 8:03:33 AM PDT by Guenevere (If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do........Psalms 11:3..An Appeal to Heaven)
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To: xzins
But there's a catch. The person who will determine whether or not to stay the order—is BOLI Commissioner Brad Avakian—a vocal supporter of the LGBTQIA movement.

Brad Avakian has already deprived them of their First Amendment rights to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of association, along with their Eighth Amendment right against excessive fines. Now the petty tyrant is attempting to deprive them of due process. If the Federal Government were on the side of the American people, we would see serious federal charges:

18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

“Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States . . . shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.”

Brad Avakian should feel the full force of the law, on the receiving end. Then his (surviving) sympathizers would understand just how evil their totalitarian actions really are. It’s time for thugs like Oregon’s Bureau of Labor & Industries Commissioner, to back off or face serious consequences. I would celebrate his lawful execution, or even a well-deserved sentence of life without parole in a maximum security prison.

40 posted on 07/09/2015 8:04:07 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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