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Waco police detective named foreman of grand jury that may hear Twin Peaks cases
www.wacotrib.com ^ | Wednesday, July 8, 2015 6:01 pm | TOMMY WITHERSPOON

Posted on 07/09/2015 6:19:49 AM PDT by JJ_Folderol

A Waco police detective was selected Wednesday to preside over a new McLennan County grand jury that could be the panel that considers the Twin Peaks shootings.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: biker; donutwatch; plantinfestation; starchamber; texas; texasgatortroll; twinpeaks; tx; tyranny; waco
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To: antidisestablishment
There are many of us who are able to distinguish between according persons their God-given rights and approving of behavior or endorsing a lifestyle.

I take it then that you won't take issue with my disapproval of stinking drug-dealing hippies who ride harleys.

241 posted on 07/11/2015 2:29:13 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: AMDG&BVMH

Great post! Though we will all be criminals. In fact, many of us would be considered criminals today for speaking of liberty and the responsibilities of a free people.

We can see the results of our nation’s aligning itself with evil and allowing evil free reign. Most Americans are not acquainted with evil in the raw. They recognize her pretty face, but avert their eyes from her blood-stained hands. This is normal behavior, but it is also very useful to those who are evil. Psychopaths and sociopaths use those assumptions to sway their victims-and they have no one but victims around.

So what part for the criminal gangs? It is not quite as black-and-white as both sides want to paint it. OMGs are criminal gangs by their own definition. That makes them a perfect target for the state and creates a groundswell of approval from a public who is not uninformed, but a public purposefully cultured with the greatest psycho-socio media barrages ever imagined—campaigns welcomed as entertainment and disguised as social interaction.

Desensitization is a crucial step in tyranny. As society crumbled and stratified, 1930s Germany was primed for a good law-and-order candidate. Jews and gypsies in Europe had a similar reputation and were the target of the states forever. While the Jews were productive members of society, they were secretive, shady businessmen who got rich off the labor of honest men and conspired to keep others poor. The Gypsies were all criminals—everyone knows that. Sure, these government troops were a little rough around the edges, but they offered order, security and pride to a nation that had been stripped of all.

Evil rarely appears in full regalia, but insidiously creeps into the shadows that fill the periphery of all civilized societies. By the time the darkness is apparent to all, it has infiltrated everywhere. We should not align ourselves with criminals, but we need to stand up for the rights of all—especially those who are the first targets of the leviathan, lest we find ourselves channeling Niemöller after our society lays in ruin at our feet.


242 posted on 07/11/2015 3:01:17 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (The last days of America will not resemble Rome, but Carthage.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Not at all. Personally, I would rather ride a Harley with a stinking drug-dealing hippie in an OMG than associate with the conniving, self-righteous, mealy-mouthed statist minions who willingly build the scaffolds where better men go to die, but that’s just my opinion.


243 posted on 07/11/2015 3:20:11 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (The last days of America will not resemble Rome, but Carthage.)
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To: AMDG&BVMH; Robert Teesdale
RT’s response was well thought out in many ways, other than including criminal gangs as somehow being allies against tyranny.

Laying aside, for the moment, the matter of potential alliances in resistance....How about the FACT that 150 of the 177 arrested have no criminal record?

If the AP could discover this, surely McClennan County could as well.

If the 10 or 20 or even 30 who might potentially be shown to have actually engaged in overt acts had taken the hit, one piece of this mess goes away. But, Renya decided to go as big as he could, and he's bitten off more than he should even want to chew.

Of course, that ship sailed several weeks ago.

244 posted on 07/11/2015 4:00:16 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: antidisestablishment
We should not align ourselves with criminals, but we need to stand up for the rights of all—especially those who are the first targets of the leviathan

Great post. And the snip is bottom line and fundamental to the liberty that we claim to cherish and say that we wish to restore and preserve.

245 posted on 07/11/2015 4:10:51 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: antidisestablishment

“My Constitution doesn’t contain a clause limiting its protections to those who are popular or even law-abiding. “

Do you really think that the Bandidos, Hells Angels, Crips, Bloods and MS really give a dang about giving you your constitutional rights? I have no idea why you would want to associate yourself with such scum.


246 posted on 07/11/2015 7:26:25 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: antidisestablishment

“The false dilemma is a common fallacy consistently used by propagandists:”

BAM! Palm hitting forehead ....

You mean like the constant mantra here ....

“If you detest the gangs you are against the constitution”


247 posted on 07/11/2015 7:28:27 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: don-o

“How about the FACT that 150 of the 177 arrested have no criminal record?”

I think all have criminal records now.


248 posted on 07/11/2015 7:31:04 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: don-o

“How about the FACT that 150 of the 177 arrested have no criminal record?”

Last time you posted it was 117 did not have criminal records in Texas.


249 posted on 07/11/2015 7:33:23 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

you got me on a fail to get the number right. It is closer to 117. Still it is a big number.


250 posted on 07/11/2015 8:04:13 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o

“you got me on a fail to get the number right. It is closer to 117. Still it is a big number.”

Yep. Still a large number of law-breakers. I just surveyed my friends and NONE have criminal records.


251 posted on 07/11/2015 8:06:19 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

177 - 117 = 60.


252 posted on 07/11/2015 8:07:08 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: TexasGator

No, let me write slowly for you here...

Your latest fallacy would be categorized as false cause, had anyone actually said:

“If you detest the gangs you are against the constitution,”

however, you have actually presented it as a standard straw man argument.

You purposefully misrepresented the proposition that even gang members have Constitutional rights to your ridiculous non-sequitur that no one ever suggested.


253 posted on 07/11/2015 8:16:37 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (The last days of America will not resemble Rome, but Carthage.)
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To: antidisestablishment

From your posts I gleam ....

1. You are not a lawyer
2. You are not an English professor.


254 posted on 07/11/2015 8:21:54 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
Do you really think that the Bandidos, Hells Angels, Crips, Bloods and MS Federal Government, Alphabet Agencies, and the myriad uncountable bureaucracies all the way down to your local roided-up SWAT wannabees really give a dang about giving you your constitutional rights? I have no idea why you would want to associate yourself with such scum.

I would rather associate with none--but the groups in my list are furiously attempting to force compliance to all manner of immoral behaviors. But of course, you are fine with that, because they will make us out to be outlaw scum who should not be accorded rights under your benevolent system.

255 posted on 07/11/2015 8:29:46 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (The last days of America will not resemble Rome, but Carthage.)
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To: TexasGator

“From your posts I gleam ....
1. You are not a lawyer
2. You are not an English professor.”

Thank you for the compliment. I see even trolls have manners.


256 posted on 07/11/2015 8:32:06 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (The last days of America will not resemble Rome, but Carthage.)
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To: antidisestablishment

“I would rather associate with none—but the groups in my list are furiously attempting to force compliance to all manner of immoral behaviors. But of course, you are fine with that, because they will make us out to be outlaw scum who should not be accorded rights under your benevolent system. “

I think you are missing a key point. These biker gangs started a shoot-out at a public plaza on a Sunday afternoon.


257 posted on 07/11/2015 8:43:40 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: antidisestablishment
But of course, you are fine with that, because they will make us out to be outlaw scum who should not be accorded rights under your benevolent system.

So, in other words, people who disapprove of stinking long-haired drug-smoking biker gang hippies are against the constitution. In post 253 you claimed no one ever held this point of view. But you do.

258 posted on 07/11/2015 8:54:07 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

No, the point is some say that anyone who the government declares an outlaw has no rights.

Personally, I don’t like criminals whether they wear leather and ride Harleys or wear Armani and ride in limos at taxpayer expense. But both, or neither, have rights.


259 posted on 07/11/2015 9:54:50 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (The last days of America will not resemble Rome, but Carthage.)
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To: TexasGator

170 people did not shoot. Those who did should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The rest should not have been arrested and held on excessive bail.


260 posted on 07/11/2015 9:58:10 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (The last days of America will not resemble Rome, but Carthage.)
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