Posted on 07/06/2015 2:23:38 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Well, Dangus, let us for the sake of argument concede your points. Then the only question that remains is this: By what right did the church condemn to death Hus, and see to the carrying out of the sentence? Where in all of God’s Word is this power given to the church of the New Testament? And corollary to that, if the church had such power, why does it not still possess and exercise such power?
or you know.. vestments, wafers, statues, pews or crosses..
sorry to say it.. BUT God would be enough..
Then they don't need Bibles, either? (I am asking because I've noticed "God would be enough" from multiple people of multiple theological persuasions, but I've also never really heard a matching account of how this idea would work as a guiding principle in life--for example, in missions.)
Like the Cathars.
>> And why is that? <<
Only because the only records we have are the books he published. The witnesses are dead and buried for 600 years, and so therefore we have far less grounds for re-examining the evidence than we’d have for, say, Sacco and Vanzetti.
>> When was this doctrine first espoused? <<
Among Wycliffe’s Lollards, by 1380.
>> for the lack of priests this doctrine was formulated? <<
I won’t attempt to read Wycliffe’s or Hus’s mind. I can’t state WHY impanation was formulated. I can only state that it was a convenient excuse for explaining how it could be that according to Lollardists and Hussites there could be no grace among those they regarded as their opponents.
No, tragically the Catholic Church did repress the Cathars into obscurity. (This is a tragedy because of the means of the repression; the Cathars were amazing sick, vile perverts, not the proto-Protestants of restorationist fantasies.) Contrarily, the Hussites went extinct largely because they killed themselves off by warring amongst themselves... and the survivors eagerly chose one of two non-Hussite camps, reformed Christians or Catholic Christians, rather than face such horrific intramural violence.
I knew you’d know!
The commander of the anti-Cathar crusade, when told that his soldiers were slaughtering both Cathars and Catholics, dismissed it with, “God will know which ones are his.”
The Cathars were more like Manichaeans, by way of the Bogomils of the Balkans. (What a name, Bogomil.)
And Hus is dead, never given a defense under 'safe passage'.
Was not 'both kinds' the practice before the 13th century? Isn't this practice different than Christ's institution?
“Hus wanted to bring the Bible, the sacred texts of Christianity, to the common man. He paid with his life.”
That’s false. If you’ve read the charges against him - and I bet you haven’t - he was not accused, charged or anything else in regard to bringing “the Bible, the sacred texts of Christianity, to the common man” because there was no such “crime” or “heresy” for him to be charged with. Bible translation in Prague was not a legal issue.
His heresies concerned things like Utraquism - which no Protestant today believes in anyway - and Dominion.
“When churchmen use murder as a tool of persuasion, its a good sign that the Holy Spirit is no where present among them.”
It wasn’t murder and it wasn’t about persuasion.
“They could learn that they don’t even need an organized church..
Or Priests.. Cardinals or Popes.. Pastors or even Deacons..
or you know.. vestments, wafers, statues, pews or crosses..”
Huss believed in a highly organized Church. He believed you could not be saved with receiving BOTH FORMS of the Eucharist. The simple fact is Huss was no Protestants.
““God will know which ones are his.””
Actually there is every reason to believe that is a myth.
It’s like “Liberty Valance,” when the legend becomes fact, print the legend.
I’m sure a lot more Cathars got slaughtered than Catholics.
Then they don’t need Bibles, either? (I am asking because I’ve noticed “God would be enough” from multiple people of multiple theological persuasions, but I’ve also never really heard a matching account of how this idea would work as a guiding principle in life—for example, in missions.)
Actually I’ve noticed some who worship the bible.. idolaters really..
Of course they would deny it.. but it’s true..
They don’t need God.. without the bible they are “hopeless”..
or in lieu of having God they supplant the bible..
totally oblivious of this fact..
others use other artifacts the same way.. same deal..
The first church didn’t have bibles... not they could read anyway..
Question is.. What DID they have?..
Most christians, I know, could care less about this question..
Seeing the question is irrelevant if not nonsense..
What do you do with idolaters such as that?..
Christians playing house.. never grew up.. maybe..
To them NO BIBLE, NO GOD..
” This is the new covenant I will make with my people on that day, says the LORD: I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds. “
Did God do it.?... OR did you memorize it from the bible, a book?..
One or the other.. Both some say.. but I doubt it..
proof: Have you looked at churches lately?.. They are CLUBs... Like the Boy/Girl Scouts..
merit badges and everything..
true..
“Hus wanted to bring the Bible, the sacred texts of Christianity, to the common man.”
Then in the 1400s, was the Roman church just fine with the common man reading the Bible on his own?
aside from the common man not being able to read, the Church wanted, more properly, insisted that the language of the Bible was properly Latin
To keep people ignorant and under priestly control, latin was the tool of enslavement
There is a trend back to Latin today for that very reason
Hocus Pokus, Dominokus was the cure for enlightenment
Seems like a pretty poor reason to tie a man to a stake and burn him to death.
Where EXACTLY did Christ say the church should do that?
Chapter and verse if you please.
Thanks.
L
Do you approve of all translations and versions of the Bible?
Amen to those coming to Christ, it’s encouraging to see in these terrible days.
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