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Wisconsin’s Shame: ‘He Could Have Been Shot. Over Politics’
National Review ^ | 7/6/15 | David French

Posted on 07/06/2015 2:09:10 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: submarinerswife; All

So you are saying police blindly following orders like a little child, and do not have the ability to think as an adult???

Quit making excuses for Tyrannical behavior!

Before the officers went to the house, police are told what to find. So when the police heard it was “political” papers.... That alone should have been a BIG RED FLAG.

If the officers are just TOO STUPID to understand the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, then they have no business being a Police Officer.

Perhaps flipping burgers is a better route?


41 posted on 07/06/2015 7:26:40 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: null and void

Point for my side.


42 posted on 07/06/2015 7:32:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (A-holery is irrevocable)
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To: submarinerswife
You are certainly stretching it by saying that SWAT and other officers KNEW that they were being used and didn't care.

You are stretching it for attempting to rationalize BRUTALITY.

These Nazi Swat units know full well what they are doing. Do you think they can not tell what effect they have on US CITIZENS?

Machine gun armed stormtroopers for the most mundane of warrants? Really? The good lil nazis were just following orders and didn't know?

Who send death squads to raid a guitar factory over fingerboards? Rationalize away, be a good lil nazi sympathizer.

43 posted on 07/06/2015 7:35:16 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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To: Flick Lives
John Chisholm. The face of a monster. The face of a Jacobin.

Yep. An ugly mean-looking SOB.

44 posted on 07/06/2015 7:48:32 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: DB
Chisholm and his associates should be in prison.

Treason. Guilty. We all know the punishment..............

45 posted on 07/06/2015 7:55:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: markomalley

Incidents like this make my blood boil..............................


46 posted on 07/06/2015 8:00:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: Enlightened1

What “brutality” took place in this story? Tell me. You try to generalize this situation where there is no “brutality” that took place to fit your agenda of hating cops. Your anger should be aimed at the Nifong-wanna-be prosecutor and the Dems who set out to terrorize and intimidate.

But that wouldn’t fit your narrative, would it?


47 posted on 07/06/2015 8:09:50 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Enlightened1

Try sticking to the story in the article and put the blame at the feet of this disgusting prosecutor and his minions. They use use law enforcement to enforce their will.

I’ll never change your mind nor would you be worth trying to convince that your focus of blame is extremely misplaced.

Congratulations on having so much in common with Soros and the “Black lives matter” bullssh!t.


48 posted on 07/06/2015 8:13:53 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: rawcatslyentist

My god, you are delusional.


49 posted on 07/06/2015 8:14:47 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: submarinerswife

you are the one who is delusional.


50 posted on 07/06/2015 8:17:09 AM PDT by sport
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To: submarinerswife
What “brutality” took place in this story? Tell me. You try to generalize this situation where there is no “brutality” that took place to fit your agenda of hating cops.

You did NOT just write that.

Brutality is USING COPS AS POLITICAL WEAPONS.

Brutality is ordering people to NOT SPEAK TO ANYONE ABOUT A POLICE RAID.

Brutality is DENYING PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK TO AN ATTORNEY.

These are brutalizations of your rights as a human and an American.

51 posted on 07/06/2015 8:18:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz (A-holery is irrevocable)
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To: papertyger; submarinerswife

In a word, from the way I read it, yes.


52 posted on 07/06/2015 8:21:14 AM PDT by sport
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

He looks like Lerch the Butler from the Addams Family and p*ssy whipped by his even more socialist wife.


53 posted on 07/06/2015 8:21:29 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: submarinerswife

Yes, it IS...to a point.

1st question to be asked: It took a SWAT unit to do WHAT exactly?

Why was Special Weapons And Tactics required to serve a warrant? Were those being served needing such over-reach?

Was the families known to have weapons? Deal drugs? Have attack ‘pets’?

What’s the justification of having SWAT in this instance, if NOT for the ‘fear factor’....Yet, I doubt anyone in the black masks were complaining about playing soldier boy


54 posted on 07/06/2015 8:21:32 AM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: submarinerswife
You are certainly stretching it by saying that SWAT and other officers KNEW that they were being used and didn't care.

They refused the "accused" the ability to call a lawyer or or his parents (according to the story the child was 16). Whether or not they knew the specifics behind the warrant itself, this speak volumes. (And no - if you check my posting history I am not in the knee-jerk "cops always wrong" camp).

55 posted on 07/06/2015 8:23:25 AM PDT by mykroar ("Never believe anything until it has been officially denied." - Otto von Bismarck)
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To: DesertRhino

Thank you for explaining it in simple terms. You did a far better job than could I.


56 posted on 07/06/2015 8:24:54 AM PDT by sport
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To: submarinerswife
Try sticking to the story in the article and put the blame at the feet of this disgusting prosecutor and his minions. They use use law enforcement to enforce their will.

Are you daft?

Do you think a nurse injects a patient with anything a doctor says just because they said?

These positions require training for a reason! One of the biggest reasons is knowing when your superior is or is not giving you a lawful order!

57 posted on 07/06/2015 8:27:34 AM PDT by papertyger (If the government doesn't obey the Constitution, what is treason?)
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To: submarinerswife

No Ma’am

I’m sorry that the U.S. Constitution and The Bill of Rights is a foreign concept to you.

Men in World War II and going all the way back to the inception of our country fought and died against governments that do the very illegal actions that YOU..., defend.

We learned during the Nuremberg trials, that “I was just following orders.”, is NO EXCUSE....

The officers all swore an oath. They are in violation of their oath when they blindly follow illegal orders. Not only is it illegal, but it is their duty not to follow it.

I’m sorry you are too stupid to understand this basic concept. Furthermore, did it ever cross your mind that this could be abused by someone that did not like you? Did that thought even cross your mind once????

Good grief!!!! No wonder why our country is in so much trouble. Too many people think it’s okay to blindly follow orders that violate the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.


58 posted on 07/06/2015 8:32:06 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: submarinerswife
What “brutality” took place in this story? Tell me.

OMG!

59 posted on 07/06/2015 8:32:59 AM PDT by papertyger (If the government doesn't obey the Constitution, what is treason?)
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To: DesertRhino
And yes dear, the officers executing a warrant had damn well better know the justification of every single warrant they execute a raid for. If one of those swat officers had have shot that boy, he would have been investigated for homicide as an individual, and the first question is why were you there, what did you know about this raid, etc. Saying he kicked in the door because he was told but really doesn’t know anything about it wont fly.

I think you're overly optimistic about there being any actual consequences for killing a mere serf. Especially if said serf is not a serf of color.

60 posted on 07/06/2015 8:45:36 AM PDT by zeugma (The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun)
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