Posted on 07/01/2015 9:02:17 PM PDT by celmak
Good post. You’ll never sway the dullards or the curmudgeons - but then they don’t really matter, do they? LOL
Point of fact the Grant and the Stuart just didn’t measure up to anything the Germans could throw at them. The Grant was removed fairly early from the ETO and sent to the Pacific.
And that is the true symbolic meaning of the Confederate Battle Flag, the rest of it is just blathering nonsense.
Unfortunately, Conservatives of today get stuck with all the blathering nonsensical slaver charge which belongs to the Demorat Party's history. This lie is working in the minds of many of the young.
We must always make sure that people know it was the Demorat Party that was and is the Party of slavery - in which that Party has NEVER apologized for.
Great post.
Noooooo.....
Remember, the Germans didn't start WWII with a full panoply of big Panthers and Tigers.
They started with Mark I's, II's & III's, which, while advanced for their time were soon outmatched by allied tanks, especially the Soviet T-34.
So, like everybody else, Germans began upgrading their Mark IV's & Panthers V's, etc.
Point is: at the time of their first introduction both the Lee and Stuart were considered a match for what the Germans could throw against them.
Later, of course, they were not, and were relegated to less challenging missions.
In the end, American tanks never did match the new Panzer V's and Tigers, but fortunately for us, they didn't need to.
Our superiority in both numbers and other weapons systems made big German tanks less of a factor than they might otherwise have been.
Today's Abrams is the tank previous generations of Americans could only wish they had.
So, until the day when tanks become totally obsolete, Abrams are the baddest boys on the battlefield, using a German Rheinmetall gun.
You’re being far too reasonable and sound too much like the postwar vets who respected their old foes. Keep it up and the SPLC/Thaddeus Stevens auxiliaries will kick you out of their club.
Good post!
The German Mk.4 was more than a match for any Allied tank. The Grant’s 75 mm in a side mounted sponson had a limited arc of fire and both The Grant and the Sherman had high silhouettes and a narrow track base. in addition the 75.mm gun mounted by the Sherman was a low velocity gun. And the Stuart, the Staurt was a joke.All in all the plain fact of the matter is until the introduction of the M-26 Pershing with it’s 90mm gun late in the war American tanks sucked, for lack of a better word. Read Capt. Belton Coopers eye opening book “Deathtraps.’’
“We respect and honor our old enemies”.
I fail to see how buying German guns for our tanks is “respecting and honoring our enemies”. Do we have a USS Rommel? Perhaps we should name our next fighter the F-40 Goering? How about a bomber named the B-5 Tojo?
I really have no problem with individuals flying the Confederate flag. I find it extremely tacky, but that’s a personal opinion, and in no way should interfere with their rights to be tacky. I do have a problem with governmental entities flying it.
My main point, which seems to be lost in all of this, is anyone who attempts to whitewash WHY the South went to war, and claim it was about anything other than slavery. I just want people to actually read the history, and not hide behind States Rights (about anything other than slavery) or other such distractions
There is a certain segment of FReeperdom who can only be described as Lost Cause Losers. They live in a delusional state of denial and no amount of reasoning will sway them. They have tied their own personal sense of self-worth and happiness to an event that concluded 150 years ago. They can’t let go.
As long as you keep in mind that, although you can correct their misstatements you can never change their minds interaction with them can be entertaining.
I agree with you
Some things are easy to predict, for examples, there will never, ever be a USS King George III, or USS Jefferson Davis, or USS Hitler.
But WWII German leaders like Guderian, Romel & Manstein among others are admired, as are Confederates like Lee & Jackson, for military and personal qualities.
You may remember that President Reagan got into deep do-do over his attempt to honor German soldiers of WWII by visiting a cemetery in Germany.
Well, turned out, there were also SS troops buried there, so Reagan was sharply criticized for insensitivity toward the Holocaust.
It shows that just as we can't really separate the Confederate cause from slavery, so we can't separate WWII Germans from Nazism.
Still, some, as the example of Reagan shows, will try.
The fact is that Germany, Italy and Japan have been strong allies since war's end, and we will be wise to keep it that way, FRiend.
Lincoln was Fascist bloody dictator and made Hitler look like a saint. Like it?
I absolutely agree. My personal pet peeve is those Lost Causers who state very authoritatively state that the cause of the Civil War was anything (anything!) other than slavery. The history is very clear, and not that hard to find.
Love seeing them squirm and try to change the subject.
Just so we're clear on this, contrary to what the Left claims, I totally agree: in the US Civil War there was nothing even remotely resembling the WWII Holocaust of six million, or the only slightly less brutal deaths of 20 million other European civilians.
The proof of it is: look at the census data for 1870.
Yes, it does show a reduction in the rate of population growth, white and black.
But scholars have long said there was under - counting, because when you average in the 1880 census numbers, overall growth rates were the same, before and after the Civil War.
That's why I insist the US Civil War was unlike any other in history -- not only were brothers & cousins on both sides, but they were all Christians who in general behaved as such.
But if it makes you feel any better, I have relatives in the South, and ancestors from Germany, and it seems to me that some from both places are in a similar position of wanting to defend, or at least explain, the indefensible.
Our job as Americans is to protect historical truth, and at the same time embrace our former enemies as today's close allies.
Bookmark - well stated!
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