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It Begins: New Calls To Strip Churches of Tax Exempt Status After Same-Sex Marriage Ruling
Townhall.com ^ | 6/29/2015 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 06/29/2015 5:02:53 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

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To: silverleaf; xzins
If it is a “ constitutional right” then who do people have to buy a state license to register it? Isn’t that more onerous than a voter id?

Exactly. If marriage is on a par with free speech and religion as a fundamental right, then the government has no authority to require anyone to get a license to get married. Effectively then, anyone can marry anyone.

41 posted on 06/29/2015 5:49:07 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Resistance to Tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Maris Crane
I completely disagree with your contention that this is a "wringing of hands" response. It is first to identify the coming persecution, which many are blindly ignoring.

The next steps will be to boldly, but with love, continue to proclaim the truth and live according to our Christian as long as we can. I expect to eventually be jailed for doing so.

Thirdly, keeping a calm head and control of one's emotions (!!) will help a lot too. Trust in God; He is in control.

42 posted on 06/29/2015 5:49:10 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Disgusting liberal arrogance. The government should be doing these things, not charitable organizations, he says.

Exactly. This is not a role of the government. If anything, government's sole role is to make it easier for charitable organizations to perform their services, not shut them down.

43 posted on 06/29/2015 5:51:31 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
You can’t make Christians perform holy matrimony ceremonies ...

There are so many ways around this. Fedzilla licenses your marriage in terms of state and federal contractual law.

Anyone can officiate marriage ceremony and it needn't be held in a church structure. The couple is making the vow before God in the presence of friends and family. It could be done in a hotel, at a park, at a home - anywhere. If Fedzilla decides to come in and strong arm that kind of arrangement, we will be truly sold down the river.

44 posted on 06/29/2015 5:52:44 AM PDT by randita (...Our First Lady is a congenital liar - William Safire, 1996)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Liberals are insane. Homosexuals are the most insane of liberals. They will not be content to know that there is any group of people who frown upon their abominable lifestyle. They will keep attacking us until Christianity is outlawed. Either we stand for ourselves now, or there will be nothing left to stand for.


45 posted on 06/29/2015 5:53:44 AM PDT by LouAvul (Liberalism: more than just a mental illness)
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To: P-Marlowe

The Bill of Rights lists our “God given” and “inalienable” rights, none of which requires a license to exercise on their most basic level. Anything which requires a license is a “privilege” (driving, concealed carry, etc.).


46 posted on 06/29/2015 5:54:51 AM PDT by randita (...Our First Lady is a congenital liar - William Safire, 1996)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Socialism always come for the churches. And it always winds up a bloody affair. Look at Russia. Look at Spain. Look at the Cristero war in Mexico. Everywhere socialism comes to power they begin by murdering the religious.
47 posted on 06/29/2015 5:55:17 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: LouAvul
Homosexuals are the most insane of liberals.

Even they know this to be true. Which is why this is their cartoon depiction of themselves ...


48 posted on 06/29/2015 5:56:47 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross; redgolum; Charles Henrickson

A new version of “The Prussian Union” rears its disgustingly UGLY head.

SARC:
Oh, what to do? What to do?
/SARC


49 posted on 06/29/2015 5:57:45 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: OpusatFR
"Let the government strip the tax provision from the churches. The churches will be freed from the onerous silencing of pastors and clergy. The pulpit is a strong voice for change and always has been, so restoring the freedom to challenge the all encompassing power of the state is the beginning of change for the better."

Such speech will be made legally hate speech. Ministers will be sued and jailed. Church property will be seized IMO. Unless the people rise up and throw off the yoke of an oppressive central government, dark days are coming.

50 posted on 06/29/2015 5:59:38 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Oratam

Maybe the leftists need to be reminded about separation of church and state. The goberment is dictating to the church on this matter.


51 posted on 06/29/2015 6:00:17 AM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is the CPUSA)
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To: P-Marlowe; silverleaf

That’s actually a profound legal thought, P-M. Since this is a ‘freedom’ on par with the first amendment, and in fact, it apparently will trump the religious protections of the first amendment, who is the government to even dare to ‘license’ a FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT.

What other ‘fundamental rights’ do they require a license for? Not guns...they tried and failed. Not speech...although they’d sure like to.

Have they succeeded a bit with ‘petition and assembly’?


52 posted on 06/29/2015 6:03:39 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: OpusatFR

“Good.

Let the government strip the tax provision from the churches. The churches will be freed from the onerous silencing of pastors and clergy. The pulpit is a strong voice for change and always has been, so restoring the freedom to challenge the all encompassing power of the state is the beginning of change for the better.

Calling people to a higher purpose and repentance outweighs any monetary gain from obeying a state imposed restriction for obedience to a tax statute”...

Make no mistake, though. If pastors and clergy continued to speak out even after giving up tax exempt status, the brown shirts would be at the door, like salivating wolves. The goal of all that we saw last week was to, No. 1, enslave the American people, and No. 2, to cleanse America of Christianity, and, of her history. Now, some believe a new world order will be the replacement. That remains to be seen after what happens in the next year and a half. One thing seems sure, there will be no peace here because of the enemies within.


53 posted on 06/29/2015 6:07:29 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Truth29
Such speech will be made legally hate speech. Ministers will be sued and jailed. Church property will be seized IMO.

It is quite clear that this is the ultimate agenda. They have been deliberate. First, they came for the bakers. And then the florists. Next, it will be the pastors/priests. And ultimately Christianity itself.

54 posted on 06/29/2015 6:07:56 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross; P-Marlowe

Offering plate money is not exempt because of IRS law. It is untouchable because of the first amendment.

There is a legal case that can be made for ‘deductions’, but there isn’t a constitutional case that can be made for donations to God. That belongs to God. Therefore, it is entirely outside the realm of government.

If an oriental Buddhist leave a basket of food before an idol of Buddha, does the government get 2 of the bananas and 3 of the apples?


55 posted on 06/29/2015 6:08:01 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: silverleaf

Agreed. But one thing the church has been negligent in doing: marking those churches outside of the Christian faith by approving such marriages. Delegitimize them similar to the pronouncement that happened immediately after the ruling.


56 posted on 06/29/2015 6:10:13 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: xzins

What is this first amendment you speak of? Language and law are now merely tools in the hands of the oppressor. The courts are corrupted and can craft language to legitimize any offense committed by the dictatorship of the US government.


57 posted on 06/29/2015 6:14:44 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Servant of the Cross
In my opinion this is the best thing that could EVER happen to the church!

It will FREE them to take political stands and make the church a force to be reckoned with again.

58 posted on 06/29/2015 6:17:21 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: Servant of the Cross

If there’s no 1st Amendment in their world, slam them in jail for this idiocy. See how they like it.


59 posted on 06/29/2015 6:18:18 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Servant of the Cross

They don’t need “tax exempt” 501c3 listing in the first place to be tax exempt. They never were subject to it in the first place and getting it makes them contractual subjects of Nanny G with all the baggage that entails.

Besides, church is supposed to be about God, and accepting his Son, not building a religious empire while trying to game Ceasars revenue system...


60 posted on 06/29/2015 6:18:21 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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