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First the flag, then the guns
The Marietta Daily Journal ^ | June 29, 2015 | Bill Press

Posted on 06/28/2015 9:43:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Who says things can’t change in politics? We just learned, again, that they can — and fast! Ten days ago, you couldn’t find a politician in the South who had anything bad to say about the Confederate battle flag. Today, they’re tripping all over themselves to get rid of it.

To their credit, Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush led the pack. Bush pointed out that as governor of Florida, he’d given orders to take down the flag and consign it to a museum. Calling it a “symbol of racial hatred,” Romney tweeted that South Carolina should remove the flag from the grounds of its state Capitol. Both provided a stark contrast to presidential hopefuls Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Scott Walker and Lindsey Graham, who initially waffled on the flag question.

Then South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley stepped up to the plate. For the last five years, she’d walked away from any debate over the flag, but suddenly she, too, got religion, pulling together all of the Palmetto State’s Republican and Democratic leaders in a dramatic show of unity, demanding that the state legislature take down the Confederate flag. At which point even Rubio, Cruz, Walker and Graham clambered on board.

Overnight, Haley’s initiative sparked an avalanche of efforts nationwide to eradicate almost all traces of the Confederacy. The South Carolina House voted 103-10 to open debate on taking down the flag. Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley beat them to the punch. He simply gave orders to take the flag down from state Capitol grounds immediately. In Mississippi, the Republican speaker of the House called for removing the Confederate battle cross from the upper-left-hand corner of the state flag. And when Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe announced that he was ending the sale of license plates bearing the Confederate flag, political leaders in Maryland, North Carolina and Tennessee made the same call.

It wasn’t just the flag that fell. In Tennessee, politicians of both parties called for removing a statue of Confederate general and KKK leader Nathan Bedford Forrest from the state Capitol. Even more dramatically, in Kentucky, both the Democratic and Republican candidates for governor announced their support for moving the statue of Jefferson Davis, long-revered president of the Confederate states, out of the Capitol building.

And politicians weren’t the only ones to act. With one voice, major retailers — including Amazon, Wal-Mart, eBay, Sears and Target — announced they would remove all Confederate paraphernalia from their shelves. Valley Forge Flag Co. and Elder Flag Manufacturing Co. said they’d no longer manufacture the Confederate flag. Pretty soon, you’ll find few traces of the Confederacy left.

It’s tragic that it took the murders of nine Charleston churchgoers to bring people to their senses. Nevertheless, it’s still good to see that we, as a nation, are burying the Confederate flag once and for all. There’s only one problem: Nine beautiful people at Charleston’s Mother Emmanuel Church were not killed with a Confederate flag. They were killed with a gun. And not just any gun. A Glock .45, a semiautomatic pistol designed specifically for use by police and the military. A gun which no civilian has any business owning — but which Dylann Roof, as twisted as he was, as full of hatred as he was, was able to walk into a gun store and buy. No questions asked.

And yet, with all the talk about the Confederate flag, there’s zero talk about guns. What a contrast with the response to the massacre of 20 first-graders and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School. In the immediate wake of the Charleston shootings, even from the most outspoken proponents of sensible gun safety legislation in the Senate — Sens. Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Joe Manchin, Pat Toomey — there was radio silence on guns. And in his first response to the tragedy at Charleston, President Obama appeared to wave the white flag on gun control. No attack on the NRA. No challenge to Congress. No call for action. Instead, on gun safety, saying only: “At some point, it’s going to be important for the American people to come to grips with it.” At some point? Whatever happened to “the fierce urgency of now?”

So, yes, let’s agree that the Confederate flag is no flag of honor. As the symbol of racial hatred and treason, it should be taken down and locked away. But that’s not enough. There’s one even more urgent priority. First, take care of the flag. Then, take care of the guns.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; charleston; confederateflag; southcarolina
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2312894/posts


Best FR post ever.


21 posted on 06/28/2015 10:54:53 PM PDT by 867V309 (Boehner is the new Pelosi)
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To: JimSEA

I believe that you’re right. Confederate flag, our guns...moochelle did say that we would have to change our history.


22 posted on 06/28/2015 11:42:20 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( YValley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow - bunch of people who mock me, belittle my history, steal my freedom, take my money, pass their laws against me while exempting themselves from such restricts now want to disarm me?

I can’t imagine why.


23 posted on 06/28/2015 11:46:04 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: 867V309
That could be more or less irrelavent to their calculations. They are desperate and at the end of their rope. You do remember how this end game of theirs started. McCain had moved slightly into the lead, than he suspended his campaign while he returned to DC for the financial crisis. Obama than pulled back into the lead. Nothing good obviously happened after that. Now people like me are forced to pay a fine for insurance we do not want and cannot afford. Everyone's health insurance rates are going up dramatically. And deductibles are higher. And that is just Obamacare. Next up Obamatrade.

They are broke. Beyond broke. Their debt makes the debt of Greece look like pocket change. China is still holding some of our debt but stopped buying. So this is all leading up to them taking what they can from us just to keep the charade floating a little longer. They have to come for our assets.

So they have no choice. The jig is up. Think of Obama as the dancing monkey for the organ grinder. His issue is not the issue. Their debt load is the only issue. So they are desperate, taking a gamble and putting millions of lives at risk.

24 posted on 06/28/2015 11:54:04 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I recently purchased a Confederate flag. If anyone comes for it, I will be knee deep in brass before they get it .


25 posted on 06/29/2015 12:09:16 AM PDT by jy8z (When push comes disguised as nudge, I do not budge.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have never been so fearful for my liberty as to what will come in the next 18 mos.


26 posted on 06/29/2015 12:23:22 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( YValley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

yeah


27 posted on 06/29/2015 1:32:19 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Time to Bury your guns(w/ammo) in PVC tubes... and report them stolen..


28 posted on 06/29/2015 1:36:15 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 867V309

Must Read and download,,,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2312894/posts


29 posted on 06/29/2015 1:50:46 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 867V309
We may be about to find out.

μολὼν λαβέ


30 posted on 06/29/2015 2:28:18 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: hosepipe
If it is time to bury them it is time to use them.

μολὼν λαβέ


31 posted on 06/29/2015 2:31:47 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I recently got a further education in Greek. Phillip II of Macedonia sent a message to the Spartans. “If I invade Laconia Sparta will fall never to rise again.”. The Spartan response was one word. “If.”

Hence the “ Laconic Phrase”.


32 posted on 06/29/2015 2:45:16 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
but which Dylann Roof, as twisted as he was, as full of hatred as he was, was able to walk into a gun store and buy.

I believe Roof was given that pistol by his father.

33 posted on 06/29/2015 2:50:37 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cancer-free since 1988! US out of UN! UN out of US!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"I believe Roof was given that pistol by his father."

Incorrect.

On Thursday, June 18th, investigators did a trace of the handgun used in Wednesday's shooting and determined that it was a .45-caliber handgun Roof purchased from a Charleston gun store in April, two law enforcement officials told CNN's Perez and Bruer.

Roof purchased a Glock .45-caliber model 41, which holds 13 rounds, a federal law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said. Witnesses have reported that Roof reloaded a number of times.

34 posted on 06/29/2015 3:08:04 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Godebert
On Thursday, June 18th, investigators did a trace of the handgun used in Wednesday's shooting and determined that it was a .45-caliber handgun Roof purchased from a Charleston gun store in April, two law enforcement officials told CNN's Perez and Bruer.

Aside from being bat**** crazy, Roof did have a felony drug arrest, so it seems background checks are working as well as everything else in the Obama administration.

35 posted on 06/29/2015 3:37:59 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

Greece? The banks are closed. Puerto Rico? "Puerto Rico’s governor, saying he needs to pull the island out of a “death spiral,” has concluded that the commonwealth cannot pay its roughly $72 billion in debts". Has anyone noticed?

36 posted on 06/29/2015 3:57:28 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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To: Sooth2222

This gives Comrade obamatollah a reason to annex PR and redistribute wealth...and get more votes for 2016.

The communists will go go all out to insure their new commie leader wins in 2016.


37 posted on 06/29/2015 4:01:15 AM PDT by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothting" - Edmund Burke)
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To: Eagles6

I’m with you there. Long ago my dad told me “love your country, don’t trust the government. “ It took a few years, but I eventually saw what he was talking about and took it to heart. However, these last few years, with bammy and crew in there... that lack of trust has reached new lows and I also genuinely fear the government and the people running it. I used to wonder how 20th century dictators could rise to power and get people to go along with their fascist policies. ... Not anymore. “Oh, that can’t happen here.” I’m sure if you had asked in 1930s Germany or Italy you’d have gotten the same answer. People are too easily seduced by the message, they don’t see the ugliness behind it - until it is too late.


38 posted on 06/29/2015 4:37:08 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: 867V309
Question:

Has a citizenry as well armed as ours ever been overcome by a tyrannical government?

Good question. I suspect that we're pretty much off the chart in terms of how well-armed we are as citizens. When you factor in the number of veterans - many with recent combat experience - that are part of the picture, it's pretty clear why the government has been... hesitant.

39 posted on 06/29/2015 4:59:32 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

Look for New York to be a test case. With over a million refusing to register their ARs, it will be interesting to see what happens. Frankly I think one or two home invasions looking for weapons might be enough to initiate organized resistance.


40 posted on 06/29/2015 5:14:57 AM PDT by Boomer One ( ToUse)
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