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Why America needs to reject the Charleston massacre’s dangerous narrative of forgiveness
Salon ^ | June 27, 2015 | Ericka Schiche

Posted on 06/27/2015 11:54:19 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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Where to begin?

The elected president of the United States is black.

Dylann Roof is recognized by everyone as a sick, twisted person who should never again see the light of day.

People in the South don't need the "help" and advice of people like Ericka Schiche telling them how to live.

Seems there wasn't a proper protracted Ferguson type riot, nor the right kind of media exploitation to suit Ericka Schiche.

1 posted on 06/27/2015 11:54:20 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yes, & there’s going to be hell to pay as a result.


2 posted on 06/28/2015 12:00:05 AM PDT by KGeorge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Uh, probably because no looting and rioting ensued? I’m sure the lyin’ king and the just-us bros ain’t too pleased that things didn’t go bad like B’more or Ferguson. Actually, they’re probably livid.


3 posted on 06/28/2015 12:01:19 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Who is asking anyone to “forgive” Roof? Answer: No one.


4 posted on 06/28/2015 12:02:44 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why don’t they talk about the killers socialist beliefs


5 posted on 06/28/2015 12:03:58 AM PDT by GeronL
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Um, its the relatives of the victims who began the forgiveness narrative and they are black.

I understand that marxists want to use the raw power of govt to crush all opposition which is how millions died in marxists regimes.

6 posted on 06/28/2015 12:04:05 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I actually have no forgiveness in my heart for what the Left and the race-hustlers are doing to this country.


7 posted on 06/28/2015 12:05:11 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perhaps there are two people who spell their name “Ericka Schiche,” but it would appear that before Ms. Schiche was an “on-line contributor” for Salon and one other media outlet, she was some kind of artist/DJ/real-estate agent in NYC.


8 posted on 06/28/2015 12:06:59 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: GeronL

This article is from the Devil’s very ink well.


9 posted on 06/28/2015 12:07:51 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If there were no racism, Ericka Schiche and Salon would have to invent it.


10 posted on 06/28/2015 12:10:57 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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...Renouncing white privilege in a society where the dominant culture suffocates and subjugates any forms of otherness and maintains its tightening grip on the jugular of blackness is something most white people either refuse to or simply manage to avoid doing.

Actually, Ericka Schiche wants "otherness" celebrated; she disapproves of the unity and community of Charleston.

I suggest this piece in rebuttal.

2001 The Perils of Designer Tribalism

[SNIP]

".........Another side is the inversion of traditional moral and intellectual values. Europe once sought to bring enlightenment—literacy, civil society, modern technology—to benighted parts of the world. It did so in the name of progress and civilization. The ethic of Third Worldism dictates that yesterday’s enlightenment be rebaptized as today’s imperialistic oppression. For the committed Third Worldist, Bruckner points out,

salvation consists not only in a futile exchange of influences, but in the recognition of the superiority of foreign thought, in the study of their doctrines, and in conversion to their dogma. We must take on our former slaves as our models. . . . It is the duty and in the interest of the West to be made prisoner by its own barbarians.

Whatever the current object of adulation— the wisdom of the East, tribal Africa, Aboriginal Australia, pre-Columbian America —the message is the same: the absolute superiority of Otherness. The Third Worldist looks to the orient, to the tribal, to the primitive not for what they really are but for their evocative distance from the reality of modern European society and values.

It is all part of what Bruckner calls “the enchanting music of departure.” Its siren call is seductive but also supremely mendacious. Indeed, the messy reality of the primitive world—its squalor and poverty, its penchant for cannibalism, slavery, gratuitous cruelty, and superstition—are carefully edited out of the picture. In their place we find a species of Rousseauvian sentimentality. Rousseau is the patron saint of Third Worldism. “Ignoring the real human race entirely,” Rousseau wrote in a passage Bruckner quotes from the Confessions, “I imagined perfect beings, with heavenly virtue and beauty, so sure in their friendship, so tender and faithful, that I could never find anyone like them in the real world.” The beings with whom Rousseau populated his fantasy life are exported to exotic lands by the Third Worldist. As Rousseau discovered, the unreality of the scenario, far from being an impediment to moral smugness, was an invaluable asset. Reality, after all, has a way of impinging upon fantasy, clipping its wings, limiting its exuberance. So much the worse, then, for reality. As Bruckner notes, in this romance adepts “were not looking for a real world but the negation of their own. . . . An eternal vision is projected on these nations that has nothing to do with their real history.” .............

[SNIP]

11 posted on 06/28/2015 12:13:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cowboyusa

bump!!

Now I will always think of Salon as that


12 posted on 06/28/2015 12:19:34 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Forgive? Never. Judge? Yes. These are two flawed Christian concepts.

Racism is evil. It is in our practice by the victims and smeared on everyone, whether they are racist or not. Every group that has a racist component: Hispanic Chamber of Congress, Black Student Union, etc. are by their very nature racist. Eliminate it everywhere, starting without groups and associations, with our affiliations.

I've always figured that if you cannot substitute White then the group is inappropriate. I think this is still very importantly valid.

13 posted on 06/28/2015 12:31:04 AM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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Ericka Schiche doesn't like it that Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke is off the "blame white privilege" plantation. He will be shunned and denounced, as are all non-compliant-to-a-victimhood-mentality ('cause they're black) people are, by the Left.

..Last month, Sheriff David Clarke of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, someone who often says the wrong thing at the wrong time, said black people need to forgive America for slavery. There are plenty of backwards (sometimes, unctuous or clueless) people who want black people to forgive, forgive, forgive, as if that is the main portal we all must enter to solve the problems of this country. Again, forgiveness has its place; it should be a more personal space, though, and not a “carrot” dangled publicly in front of those who’ve done no work towards being worthy or towards resolution. Now that the Voting Rights Act has been eviscerated and it seems as if the specter of Jim Crow is dancing a jig right now, it’s also worth pointing out there is an air of anti-black sentiment which continues to threaten and undermine America’s integrity and position as a global power. ....

14 posted on 06/28/2015 12:32:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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"~~Well-intended forgiveness has been seized on by the media and those in power as an excuse to ignore white supremacy~~"

Shove it up your ass, Ericka.

15 posted on 06/28/2015 12:38:49 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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.... And this country was built in part on the genocide of Native Americans, the crippling Three-Fifths Compromise and a number of other originally flawed documents, including the U.S. Constitution — all of which justified systemic racism.

The U.S. Constitution.

This is their real target.

16 posted on 06/28/2015 12:38:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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I want to put up a middle finger when she says that Charleston is fake. Black lives are safer in Charleston than in progressive and enlightened Chicago and L.A. Gang crime is so much worse elsewhere in this country, but that doesn’t fit her desired narrative.


17 posted on 06/28/2015 12:48:03 AM PDT by Yaelle ("You're gonna fly away, Glad you're going my way...")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The author speaks like she is in an unstoppable cycle of hate.


18 posted on 06/28/2015 12:51:38 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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Christianity could unite all kinds of people who would otherwise be divided.

We can’t have that now can we?/

It throws a wrench into their divide and conquer gameplan.


19 posted on 06/28/2015 12:53:56 AM PDT by Califreak (Hope and Che'nge is killing U.S./CDC=Contagion Distribution Center)
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Christianity could unite all kinds of people who would otherwise be divided.

AME Emanuel Church FULL SERMON. Charleston Church First Sunday Service Since Shooting

So unlike:

Obama's Church of "God Damn America

20 posted on 06/28/2015 1:00:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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