The Confederate flag is not enough: Why our new race debate misses the point

Salon ^ | June 25, 2015 | Nico Lang

[Cincinatus' Wife]

....While the Right’s stance on gun control has since shifted to the other extreme, policies continue to arm white men at the expense of people of color, who are structurally barred from ownership. ......

2013- [Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke ] says weapon would have helped when [Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett] beaten "..........But Clarke fired back as well. He brought up the 2009 incident near the Wisconsin State Fair in West Allis when Barrett was beaten severely by a man wielding a tire iron.

"I'm sure that if you had a gun and a plan that day, the outcome would have been a little different," Clarke said to Barrett, who was in a different studio. "I'm asking that law-abiding citizens who make the decision that they see their personal security as their individual responsibility in a like situation can respond as they see fit."

Clarke gained national attention last week after a public service announcement ad began airing on local radio. In the ad, Clarke told listeners not to count on police responding rapidly to their 911 calls. Instead, he said, people need to consider taking a gun-safety course "so you can defend yourself until we get there."

Critics, including Roy Felber, the president of the Milwaukee Deputy Sheriffs' Association, said Clarke's comments seemed to be a call to vigilantism, a charge Clarke has fiercely rejected.

Barrett, who is a co-founder of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, has been a vocal proponent of President Barack Obama's call for new gun laws. The group, which includes the mayors of more than 800 cities across the country, backs universal background checks for all gun sales; the banning of so-called assault weapons; and placing a limit on high-capacity magazines............"

Scott Walker defies gravity, will sign two new gun rights bills

- - WI Gov Scott walker signs bills, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke assists.

[knarf]

THAT'S THE FALLACY ...

THERE IS NO WIDESPREAD PUBLIC PRESSURE !!!!!!!

[2ndDivisionVet]

So this idiot couldn’t take 20 seconds to look up Woodrow Wilson and find out that he was born and raised in Virginia and elsewhere in the South, even though he went on to become governor of New Jersey?

Wilson’s parents moved south in 1851 and came to fully identify with it. His father defended slavery, owned slaves and set up a Sunday school for them. Both parents identified with the Confederacy; they cared for wounded soldiers at their church, and Wilson’s father briefly served as a chaplain to the Confederate Army.[11] Woodrow Wilson’s earliest memory, from the age of three, was of hearing that Abraham Lincoln had been elected and that a war was coming. Wilson would forever recall standing for a moment at General Robert E. Lee’s side and looking up into his face.[11]

Wilson’s father was one of the founders of the Southern Presbyterian Church in the United States (PCUS) in 1861 after it split from the northern Presbyterians. He served as the first permanent clerk of the southern church’s General Assembly, was Stated Clerk from 1865 to 1898, and was Moderator of the PCUS General Assembly in 1879. He became minister of the First Presbyterian Church in Augusta, Georgia, and the family lived there until young Wilson was 14.[12][12] Wilson in 1873 formally became a member of the Columbia First Presbyterian Church and remained a member throughout his life.[13]

Education

Wilson’s reading began at age ten, possibly delayed by dyslexia; he later blamed the lack of schools in the post bellum South. As a teen he taught himself the Graham shorthand system to compensate, and achieved academically with self-discipline, studying at home with his father, then in classes at a small Augusta school.[14] During Reconstruction, Wilson lived in Columbia, South Carolina from 1870 to 1874, while his father was professor at the Columbia Theological Seminary.[15] His father moved the family to Wilmington, North Carolina in 1874 where he was the minister at First Presbyterian Church until 1882. Wilson attended Davidson College in North Carolina for the 1873–74 school year, cut short by illness, then transferred to Princeton as a freshman when his father began teaching at the university. He graduated in 1879, a member of Phi Kappa Psi fraternity. In his second year, he studied political philosophy and history, was active in the Whig literary and debating society, and wrote for the Nassau Literary Review.[16] He organized the Liberal Debating Society[17] and later coached the Whig–Clio Debate Panel.[18] In the hotly contested election of 1876, Wilson declared his support for the Democratic Party and its nominee, Samuel J. Tilden.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Woodrow_Wilson

[Gene Eric]

>> Article: While it’s absolutely time for the flag to go the way of the dodo, it’s hardly a cure for the real problems haunting [the Charleston Church massacre]

The Confederate flag is not the real problem... but it must be banned???

How many threats will we suffer for the Constitutional liberties we’ve been afforded?

You lurkers out there, understand the subjective constraints being inflicted on your voice, your future.

[Erik Latranyi]

They want to get the NRA as well.

[ZULU]

Not all Northerners opposed slavery. Some Unionists had slaves

Not all Southerners supported slavery.

Slavery may have caused the Civil War but slavery was not what motivated all, or perhaps even most soldiers on both sides.

The American Flag flew over a slave nation longer than any confederate flag.

The Confederate flag has long been a respected regional southern symbol.

The KKK used as many American Flags as Confederate Flags.

None of this has anything to do with Charleston.

The same people pushing this stole the word Gay to define sodomites, oppose names like Redskins and Warriors for sports teams, etc, etc.

Banning this flag is stupid, irrelevant, and countreproductive and this culture warriors who seek nothing less than the total remaking of our society need to be stopped NOW.

[American in Israel]

Only socialists think history has to be banned and rewritten

[Tennessee Conservative]

The “Don’t Tread On Me” flag will be next.

[wastoute]

When the libtards and the media say “jump” the GOP asks how high.

[Caipirabob]

One of the most horrendous stories of slavery took place in Illinois. Today the old salve house is considered one of the most haunted places in America for the atrocities that took place there. I read about it as a young child. It’s said the walls still bleed...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1kxlt9WEFvU

[American in Israel]

It’s not that the South shall rise again, it’s that the norths philosphy is sinking so fast.

[Sir_Humphrey]

“Of course, the unfortunate reality is that the criminal population in America is disproportionately made up of racial minorities.”

How in the World is that a false statement?

[BroJoeK]

ZULU: "Not all Northerners opposed slavery.
Some Unionists had slaves."

In 1860 virtually all Northerners, including Republicans, were content to allow slavery in the South.
All northerners understood that Southern slavery was the price of Union, that opposing slavery meant Southern secession.

What Northerners adamantly opposed was expanding slavery into their own states via the Supreme Court's Dred-Scott decision, or into Western territories which didn't want it.

Northern Democrats like President James Buchanan from Pennsylvania did everything they could to address Southern concerns about slavery.

ZULU: "Not all Southerners supported slavery."

Huge areas of western Virginia, Maryland & North Carolina, plus eastern Tennessee & Kentucky opposed slavery and the Confederacy and supplied troops for the Union Army.
They made a significant difference in the course of the Civil War.

ZULU: "The American Flag flew over a slave nation longer than any confederate flag."

Even though southern Founders like Washington, Jefferson and Madison understood that slavery was wrong and should eventually be abolished, other slave-owners made the institution of slavery a pre-condition to establishing the United States under its 1787 Constitution.

Bottom line: without slavery there would have been no United States.
And two separate countries would never have fought a Civil War to abolish slavery.

[manc]

great post

[Democrat_media]

The U.S. news media used a single act by a single individual to take away our freedom of speech. If people don’t see now that the media is the enemy and the problem I don’t know when they will

[Democrat_media]

The U.S. news media used a single act by a single individual to take away our freedom of speech. If people don’t see now that the media is the enemy and the problem I don’t know when they will

The news media are ALL marxist/democrat political activists masquerading as objective news reporters.

[hondact200]

300,000 Union Supporters had slaves. many of the Union soldiers went AWOL after the Emancipation Proclamation was announced. the Emancipation Proclamation was hoped that the slaves would rise up in revolt to the slave owners - did not happen. Lincoln wanted to remove all slaves elsewhere never happened. There was one country decided for free slaves - Liberia in Africa - how did that turn out.
Slavery still exists in Africa - slaves are sold to guess what country - Saudi Arabia - where is the outrage and boycott of Saudi Arabia. Next thing is they will protest oil as it too keeps America in bondage

[Sacajaweau]

Send them all back to Africa...where they can starve, be subject to all kinds of diseases etc etc.

Coming here......no matter the circumstances was still the best thing that happened to them in the end.

They should thank their ancestors for their endurance......and get on with it.

[HartleyMBaldwin]

Nico, you are an idiot. You are the one missing the point. The Confederate flag today is displayed as a symbol of rebellion against overbearing government, not of racism or slavery.

[wastoute]

Not while there is someone who will be forever 18 and shares my last name is buried at Gettysburg would I ever fly the Stars and Bars or own one. I could understand why someone who never got the bits and pieces of their family member back from Chancellorsville might feel just the opposite and that doesn’t bother me. I hope there is a special place in Hell for Demagogue politicians who rein flick the pain of these wounds on our nation for their political purposes. They have richly earned it. Not just the libtard Rats, either but the witless GOP that don’t have the presence of mind to realize they are being played like a fiddle. We have plenty of real problems that require energy and attention and to waste time and effort on the latest round of libtard BS is criminal.