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Discreet Exceptions to the Trading With the Enemy Act
Freep ^ | Midsummer's Night | Charles O'Connell

Posted on 06/21/2015 11:33:46 PM PDT by CharlesOConnell

Pope: Why didn't Allies bomb railway lines to Auschwitz?

 

 There's no secret about it, you just have to read the history:

 IG Farben, was the monstrous German chemical collective, chiefly composed of Bayer, BASF and Hoechst, (maker today through its French, Roussel Uclaf subsidiary of RU-486 human pesticide just as Farben used Cyclone/Zyklon B to dispose of death-factory inmates).

 Farben received 100 tons of tetra-ethyl lead no-knock compound from Rockefeller's Standard Oil without which the blitzkrieg would have been impossible, in exchange for licensing of some of Farben's extremely valuable, fabulously profitable patents.

 Farben was the original invention factory, for example, reverse-engineering the Haber-Bosch Nitrogen Fixation Process to make gunpowder out of air.

 Farben's chemical monopoly predecessors took the blame for losing WW1 because they were 6 months too late inventing coal-gassification.

  (By the 1920s, Farben was looking for the strong man who would become Hitler. It's credibly argued that Farben started WW2 as a profit-making venture.)

 Oil was the key: Oswiecim/Auschwitz was a location Farben scouted out in Poland before the war.

 Farben's corporate army, the SS, would roll into invasion areas pre-planned for special economic attention, ahead of the Wehrmacht, as soon as the border barriers were down.

 For example, the SS expedited "change of ownership" of the Czech, Skoda Werke chemical company, "signed over" with a pistol in the owner's mouth, harvesting valuable, ready made munitions manufacturing facilities.

 Oswiecim/Auschwitz was pre-planned, primarily as a coal-gassification factory complex, only killing Jews as a sideline in a little annex.

 The Allied Strategic Bombing Command had strict orders to leave Standard Oil's colleague facility alone.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: monopoly; murder
After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth became illumined by his splendor. He cried out in a mighty voice:

“Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great.

She has become a haunt for demons.

She is a cage for every unclean spirit,

a cage for every unclean bird,

[a cage for every unclean] and disgusting [beast].

3 For all the nations have drunk

the wine of her licentious passion.

The kings of the earth had intercourse with her,

and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her drive for luxury.”

4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Depart from her my people,

so as not to take part in her sins

and receive a share in her plagues,

5 for her sins are piled up to the sky,

and God remembers her crimes.

6 Pay her back as she has paid others.

Pay her back double for her deeds.

Into her cup pour double what she poured.

7 To the measure of her boasting and wantonness

repay her in torment and grief;

for she said to herself,

‘I sit enthroned as queen;

I am no widow,

and I will never know grief.’

8 Therefore, her plagues will come in one day,

pestilence, grief, and famine;

she will be consumed by fire.

For mighty is the Lord God who judges her.”

9The kings of the earth who had intercourse with her in their wantonness will weep and mourn over her when they see the smoke of her pyre.

10They will keep their distance for fear of the torment inflicted on her, and they will say:

“Alas, alas, great city,

Babylon, mighty city.

In one hour your judgment has come.”

11The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn for her, because there will be no more markets for their cargo:

12 their cargo of gold, silver, precious stones, and pearls; fine linen, purple silk, and scarlet cloth; fragrant wood of every kind, all articles of ivory and all articles of the most expensive wood, bronze, iron, and marble;

13 cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, and frankincense; wine, olive oil, fine flour, and wheat; cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and slaves, that is, human beings.

14 “The fruit you craved has left you. All your luxury and splendor are gone, never again will one find them.”

15 The merchants who deal in these goods, who grew rich from her, will keep their distance for fear of the torment inflicted on her. Weeping and mourning, 16 they cry out: “Alas, alas, great city,

wearing fine linen, purple and scarlet, adorned [in] gold, precious stones, and pearls.

17 In one hour this great wealth has been ruined.” Every captain of a ship, every traveler at sea, sailors, and seafaring merchants stood at a distance and cried out when they saw the smoke of her pyre, “What city could compare with the great city?” "

19They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and mourning: “Alas, alas, great city, in which all who had ships at sea grew rich from her wealth. In one hour she has been ruined.

20Rejoice over her, heaven, you holy ones, apostles, and prophets. For God has judged your case against her.” 21A mighty angel picked up a stone like a huge millstone and threw it into the sea and said:

“With such force will Babylon the great city be thrown down, and will never be found again.

22No melodies of harpists and musicians, flutists and trumpeters, will ever be heard in you again. No craftsmen in any trade will ever be found in you again. No sound of the millstone will ever be heard in you again.

23 No light from a lamp will ever be seen in you again. No voices of bride and groom will ever be heard in you again. Because your merchants were the great ones of the world, all nations were led astray by your magic potion.

24 In her was found the blood of prophets and holy ones and all who have been slain on the earth.”

-Revelation 18

1 posted on 06/21/2015 11:33:46 PM PDT by CharlesOConnell
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To: CharlesOConnell

Not many may be open to this concept..

But hard to deny evil in high places.. and not just currently..
But embedded, in stealth and masked.. for a long time..


2 posted on 06/22/2015 1:01:59 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
Some necessary background:

1. A Standard Oil subsidiary owned the Ploesti refinery complex in Romania -- the largest source of refined petroleum products in Europe.

2. Standard Oil's European holdings were controlled by a subsidiary based in Switzerland.

3. Throughout the war, the Swiss subsidiary continued conducting business as usual and focussed on their fiduciary responsibility to maintain existing assets.

4. Consequently, the Swiss subsidiary of Standard Oil did business with Germany and German companies -- including IG Farben.

5. Contrary to the post's claim, the Allied Strategic Bombing Command famously conducted extensive raids against the Ploesti refinery complex beginning in August, 1943.

3 posted on 06/22/2015 1:46:16 AM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01

Good rebuttal. That is what FR is supposed to be, a forum for truth seekers. Do you have links for the August bombings? Thanks to all for posting. Debate, critical and rational discussion is a lost art.


4 posted on 06/22/2015 2:14:43 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: momincombatboots
Ploesti Raid -- 1943

Low Level Raid on Ploesti (video)

5 posted on 06/22/2015 2:29:27 AM PDT by okie01
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To: momincombatboots
I don't know that my post was a "rebuttal". Instead, its purpose was to give necessary context to the story.

During WW II, Standard Oil did, in fact, trade with the enemy. So did several other U.S. multi-national firms.

However, these dealings were conducted through European subsidiaries, largely staffed with European nationals and charged with a fiduciary responsibility to conserve assets.

Under the circumstances, I frankly don't know what else they could've done. Should the U.S. headquarters have instructed the European subsidiary to a.) refuse to do business with Germany and German companies or b.) destroy the properties?

Refusing to do business probably wasn't feasible as a practical matter...or legally. And destroying the properties probably wasn't feasible, either.

6 posted on 06/22/2015 2:42:41 AM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01

Contrary to the post’s claim, the Allied Strategic Bombing Command famously conducted extensive raids against the Ploesti refinery complex beginning in August, 1943.


True american fascists/communists/progressives were not perfect.....

you know.. YET... currently looks like they’ve increased on perfection...
Looks like the republican hierarchy is riddled extensively with them..
the democrats “are” them..


7 posted on 06/22/2015 3:05:15 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: okie01

Belated Father’s Day nod to my dad who was part of the Ploesti raids. I have some really great photos of his from that action.


8 posted on 06/22/2015 3:25:51 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: okie01
"Under the circumstances, I frankly don't know what else they could've done. Should the U.S. headquarters have instructed the European subsidiary to a.) refuse to do business with Germany and German companies or b.) destroy the properties? Refusing to do business probably wasn't feasible as a practical matter...or legally. And destroying the properties probably wasn't feasible, either. "

You're not being serious, right? The availability of petroleum-based fuels and lubricants was critical center of gravity for the Nazis to have prosecuted the war. If in fact Standard Oil did not do everything they could to stop the Nazis from using their facilities and products then they committed the most serious of treasons.

How many deaths would they have facilitated to have preserved their corporate assets if that was the case?

9 posted on 06/22/2015 3:44:28 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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As a practical matter, the only thing Standard Oil could have done was to sabotage its facilities. The Germans would then have simply shot everyone involved, repaired the damage, and restored production.


10 posted on 06/22/2015 4:27:28 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Chainmail

Trading with the Enemy: the Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949, by Charles Higham. The Strageic Bombing Command has been accused of deliberately avoiding bombinb Auschwitz. Considering the FDR Administration's attitude toward Jews, and that the facts about the death factories had not generally been revealed in the press, the available evidence doesn't support an assertion that that this omission was due to concern for the death camp inmates.

11 posted on 06/22/2015 5:24:46 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: CharlesOConnell
Where are these "strict orders"? Show us the papers. Real historians don't trade in conspiracies they think plausible, but in factual information.

Pointing out that Farben was a customer of Standard Oil at one point before the war ... so what? Heck, IBM's German *subsidiary* provided the card machines that helped to organize the Holocaust. That's a lot closer association.

Occam's Razor: the answer is really much simpler. First, long-range bombing of a railroad track wasn't especially feasible in the 1940's. The target is too small, and too hard to find. You needed fighter/bomber's (e.g., P-47's) to do that from a low level in daytime, and that would have been a very difficult mission to fly.

Second, the Allies had only anecdotal evidence about what Auschwitz was (until the Russians liberated it). They decided on that basis that, whatever it was, it wasn't essential to the German war effort, and they chose to concentrate bombing on targets that were. (And, to put it coldly, the Holocaust *wasn't* essential to the German war effort; it was a major distraction from it, diverting scarce resources -- especially railroad rolling stock -- from war use.)

12 posted on 06/22/2015 5:27:32 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Chainmail

The people on the ground in Ploesti weren’t taking orders from Standard Oil in the USA in 1943-44. Doing so would have gotten them shot.


13 posted on 06/22/2015 5:29:48 AM PDT by Campion
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To: okie01

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler
Anthony C Sutton
Extensively researched
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html


14 posted on 06/22/2015 6:01:03 AM PDT by khelus
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To: CharlesOConnell

“The Allied Strategic Bombing Command had strict orders to leave Standard Oil’s colleague facility alone.”

Perhaps you should read a bit of history. Wikipedia reports that “Buna-Werke, the I.G. Farben industrial complex located adjacent to the Monowitz forced labor camp (Auschwitz III) located 5 kilometres (3.1 mi) from the Auschwitz I camp was bombed four times, starting at 20 August 1944 until 26 December 1944.”

Sounds like the Allied Strategic Bombing Command did bomb the I.G. Farben complex at Auschwitz at least four times.

There is an excellent article about this issue at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_bombing_debate

Even the Jewish refugee organizations had serious doubts about the efficacy of bombing to stop the killing a Auschwitz.


15 posted on 06/22/2015 6:24:21 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: sphinx
I see - it's perfectly OK hundreds of thousands of young American men to assault the French coast and drive inland against the Nazi forces or to fly in aircraft over the Reich against fighters and flak - but completely unreasonable for Americans or those we pay to chance getting shot to obstruct the Nazis in our facilities?

Makes sense, I guess. Could explain where we are now.

16 posted on 06/22/2015 6:42:53 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail
If in fact Standard Oil did not do everything they could to stop the Nazis from using their facilities and products then they committed the most serious of treasons.

What could they have done, precisely?

Ordered their Swiss subsidiary to blow the place up? Would their Swiss subsidiary have been able to do so? Would they have acted, at all -- given that they were governed by Swiss law? And their Romanian employees were subject to the German military.

The simple fact of the matter is that Standard Oil headquarters may have been rendered powerless by events. Any orders they might've issued to their Swiss subsidiary weren't necessarily going to be followed.

17 posted on 06/22/2015 6:56:47 AM PDT by okie01
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To: T-Bird45
Belated Father’s Day nod to my dad who was part of the Ploesti raids. I have some really great photos of his from that action.

Another nod to your dad. If he was part of the initial August 1, 1ow-level daylight raid, he was a survivor. Almost 1/3 of the force failed to return (55 of 178 were lost).

18 posted on 06/22/2015 7:00:25 AM PDT by okie01
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There was a short moment before the Nazis seized physical control of those facilities where significant obstructions could have taken place and there were steps Standard could have taken to remove their expertise and financial support from their subsidiaries.

When it was too late they, could have divested and removed themselves - but hanging in there and continuing the business connections was treasonous.

19 posted on 06/22/2015 7:28:38 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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There was a short moment before the Nazis seized physical control of those facilities where significant obstructions could have taken place

Recall that the Nazis didn't invade Romania. Instead, Romania allied itself with the Axis. Nazi control of the facilities was probably simultaneous with that act.

At that point, no expertise and financial support was required from Standard.

If they decided to divest themselves of the operation, to whom would they sell it? A German firm would likely be the only bidder -- something Standard couldn't accept.

In the end, the only valid option would be for Standard to abandon the operation. Which they may well have effectively done -- withdrawing their expertise and financial support simply because there was no way to deliver them.

At any rate, the question becomes: Can a corporation be guilty of treasonous conduct if a one-time subsidiary beyond its control cooperates with the enemy?

And, as the question applies to Standard Oil, I'm not confident I know the answer to the question.

20 posted on 06/22/2015 11:23:31 AM PDT by okie01
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