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To: BlueDragon

I never claimed Francis not to be the Pope, or any of the post Vatican II Popes to be anything less. That does not mean that their pronouncements are correct ... Please note that the truly damaging stuff is always done NOT ex cathedra, but usually under the pretext of “liturgical reforms,” etc. The innovators are very clever in this regard, just as they always skirt the boundaries of material heresy, but not formal heresy - and thus get their dirty deeds accomplished w/o getting booted from the Church.

I will state that the New Mass (Novus Ordo) while valid (insofar as goes the Holy Eucharist - if the right form (words), matter and intent of the priest are all present) is yet ILLICIT, b/c it violates Quo Primum - the Papal Bull (Constitution, i.e.: law) promulgated in 1570 by Pope Saint Pius V as a bulwark against the Protestant heresy; and to be considered as valid in perpetuity. Violation of this Constitution incurs the excommunication and the wrath of God..

http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com/2015/05/07/st-pope-pius-v-quo-primum/

Keep in mind we are dealing with demonic (once angelic) intelligence - Lucifer was the most intelligent and beautiful of the angels.

Vatican II was NEVER pronounced under the doctrine of infallibility ‘ex cathedra’ ... It was announced not as a dogmatic council, but rather as a “pastoral” council. If you are aware of Catholic history, we have had bad popes and at least one other “evil” council.

When God is truly pissed at His people, He allows them to fall into the clutches of bad or even evil leaders - both secular and ecclesiastical.


305 posted on 07/05/2015 12:38:58 AM PDT by WTFOVR (I find myself exclaiming that expression quite often these days!)
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To: WTFOVR

Oh really? A little more than a week before you stated the above, you had written and published here on this thread @ comment #252;

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I'm not going to go back into all of this any further. It's all too jarringly illogical, and I'm no psychiatrist...

306 posted on 07/07/2015 11:04:49 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Yes, we're happy as fish and gorgeous as geese, and wonderfully clean in the morning)
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