[driftless2]

I live in a part of the country, Wisconsin, where many people own firearms, mostly for hunting. But I'd bet more than a few have them in their cars if not on their persons.

Homicide in Wisconsin is pretty rare outside Milwaukee. Some gun rights activists might say it's because of the guns, but more like most of the population is civilized.

[cripplecreek]

That’s my point. Cities are always more violent and have been since biblical times. It really doesn’t matter what state or city you’re talking about, the trend still holds.

Setting that aside I would still rather live in Detroit than most cities based on the freedom alone. Its not a particularly liberal city in the social sense. You don’t have food nannies whining about what you eat or drink. Open and concealed carry are legal pretty much everywhere and you can defend yourself with lethal force in the home and in public. You’ll never see a church shooting in Detroit like the one in Charleston because most Detroit churches allow guns.