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New York Energy Week: Fusion Energy Sooner and Cheaper?
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| on June 18, 2015 at 2:00 PM
| Andrew Holland
Posted on 06/18/2015 2:25:07 PM PDT by ckilmer
By Andrew Holland on June 18, 2015 at 2:00 PM
A worker welds a part on the exterior of the Wendelstein 7-X experimental fusion reactor at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics on October 29, 2013 in Greifswald, Germany. (Photo by Sean Gallup/Getty Images)
What would it mean to have an essentially limitless amount of energy? If we can harness fusion power, we can have energy that is clean, safe, sustainable, and secure. It will be the power of a sun on earth. The dream of fusion energy has been a scientific goal for decades, but it has remained elusive.
Scientists have struggled to master how to control fusion so that it can be a sustainable source of power: they know how to produce fusion in plasmas of more than 100 million degrees, and they know how to contain the plasma, but they cannot yet produce more energy than it takes to confine the plasma. The scientists are confident that they will be able to produce such an outcome, but they need a machine powerful enough to do so.
On Tuesday, June 16, 2015, Dr. Dennis Whyte, the Director of the MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center showed that a series of scientific and engineering breakthroughs could enable fusion to become a feasible a power source faster and cheaper than anyone had thought possible. These technological breakthroughs were not originally developed for fusion, but they could revolutionize the development of fusion energy.
As a part of New York Energy Week, Whyte presented to a group of professionals from energy, finance, and media at FTI Strategic Communications’ Wall Street office for a lunch discussion the new developments in fusion energy research. This event was sponsored by the American Security Project as part of their program on Next Generation Energy. Whyte explained that there are a series of recent and ongoing technological breakthroughs that will allow fusion to develop as a real energy choice in the near future.
First, Whyte described how High Temperature Superconducting magnets will make building a fusion reactor easier and cheaper. As currently built, a fusion reactor must be surrounded by huge copper wires capable of creating the powerful magnetic field necessary to contain the 100 million degree plasma. New flexible superconducting wire (developed for use in MRI imaging) can make magnetic coils four times as powerful while being lighter and easier to use. This makes it possible to build a fusion reactor at just one‐tenth the volume of one made with conventional superconductors. It may also allow plug‐in “demountable” coils, making construction and maintenance cheaper and quicker.
Second, Whyte explained how new 3D printing techniques are being applied to metal. He showed how 3D printer using new high-temperature steel alloys can build metal in complex shapes that cannot be machined. This will allow components of a reactor to be built quicker and cheaper than ever thought possible. It will also allow production of components once impossible to fabricate. For instance, cooling channels formed inside solid metal parts will allow exposure to hot fusion plasmas at many thousands of degrees.
Third, Whyte cited a new liquid salt material that can surround the plasma in a fusion power plant must be surrounded by a medium to capture heat energy and produce fuel. He discussed how FLiBe, a molten salt made from a mixture of lithium fluoride (LiF) and beryllium fluoride (BeF2), could act as a liquid blanket would immerse the fusion core in a cooling bath. It will reduce construction costs, simplify heat transfer, and allow for the breeding of new fuel.
Finally, Whyte discussed how all of these breakthroughs come together to allow for a modular design that will speed up the design-build process for a new fusion reactor. This will allow scientists and engineers to accelerate the maintenance and upgrade cycles.
Put together, these breakthroughs could mean that demonstration-level amounts of fusion power could be put on the grid far sooner than many had thought. It won’t be easy, and there is still a great deal of scientific and engineering work left, but Whyte’s presentation shows a promising route to developing fusion as a power source.
Andrew Holland is a Senior Fellow for Energy and Climate at American Security Project.
TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: energy; fusion; fusionpower; nuclearfusion
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:25:07 PM PDT
by
ckilmer
To: ckilmer
I don’t get this but its fun to consider.
The important thing to remember is that
a.) The republicans are slowly being strangled to death on energy policy.
b.) The best solution for the republicans is to leapfrog solar and wind power with some kind of nuclear power that’s 1/4-1/10th the cost of cheapest coal/natural gas
c.)investments in R&D for fusion and fission are worth the risk.
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:29:08 PM PDT
by
ckilmer
(q)
To: ckilmer
Well, it is just 30 years away. They’ve been saying that since the late 1940’s if not earlier.
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:30:21 PM PDT
by
Nowhere Man
(Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
To: ckilmer
I would not count on either sooner or cheaper. After all, we have been working on controlled nuclear fusion since the 1960s. Now more than five decades later we are not really all that much closer.
I would also not look for any controlled nuclear fusion power plant that would be able to produce the quantities of power generated by other means to be cheaper to build and cheaper to operate than current plants.
To: Nowhere Man
But now they actually have several different groups working on different designs. As long as the technology isn’t banned, it looks more promising than ever.
To: ckilmer
isn’t this new breed tokomak?
dis the Princeton or Russian tokomaks ever work?
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:37:01 PM PDT
by
bert
((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
To: Nowhere Man
well that burst the bubble lol. It’s kind of like the cancer cures I’ve been hearing about since I was a kid. I know they have made strides in but I’ve been hearing about it being eliminated for 30 years.
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:38:27 PM PDT
by
dp0622
To: Nowhere Man; MIchaelTArchangel
Agree that that is currently conventional wisdom.
But if you read the article you’ll notice that innovations in the fusion space are very sensible and doable. They’re pitched by reputable people. Also, the R&D they’re talking about will cost out not at $20-$30 billion but rather $2-$3 billion. Hell the fed creates that money out of nothing on some days. If successful the payoff literally changes civilization.
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:40:50 PM PDT
by
ckilmer
(q)
To: ckilmer
Clean, safe, and a massive source of heat pollution. If you believe in globule warming.
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:42:02 PM PDT
by
wastoute
(Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
To: ckilmer
I’ve been waiting for my unmetered electricity since 1955.
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:42:38 PM PDT
by
Paladin2
(Ive given up on aphostrophys and spell chek on my current device...)
To: bert
no fusion reactor has produced net energy.
All of them have to contain the fusion reaction in a magnetic field. (Except the laser beam and pellet fusion tests in California.)
The article talks about the sort of innovations that will make all the parts better and cheaper.
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:44:27 PM PDT
by
ckilmer
(q)
To: Paladin2
yeah that was the big promise of the 50’s-60’s. for both energy and water. The greatest generation came close but dropped the ball in the 1970’s.
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06/18/2015 2:45:27 PM PDT
by
ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
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06/18/2015 2:46:22 PM PDT
by
ETL
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To: ckilmer
The best solution in the medium term is the liquid fluoride thorium reactor (LFTR). If they can scale up the technology to commercial scale, we have enough thorium to supply Earth's energy needs for tens of thousands of years.
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:48:59 PM PDT
by
RayChuang88
(FairTax: America's economic cure)
To: ckilmer
Haven’t we heard this news someplace before?
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:50:11 PM PDT
by
GOPJ
To: dp0622; Vince Ferrer
dp0622, yeah, I've heard about the various cancer cures and yes, I do believe some of them work in some cases, even the natural approach ones but it is still a huge hit and miss that it does not work all the time. I can't recall the name of one actor back in the 1930's who had deadly pancreatic cancer but he was cured from it, I wonder what they did then as opposed to now. Yes, they can do a lot now, some say that there are 2 out of 3 people who have or had cancer were either cured or at least manage it enough to have a fairly long life but there is a long way to go. Inflammatory breast cancer took my mother's life in 2013 and I'm still not quite over it. I guess we are like Batman and Robin, I feel like Robin without Batman. B-) B-( Still I even talked to another woman who has been on chemo straight since 1980 for it and she is still alive and has a fairly good quality of life. I read an article from the late 1960's or early 1970's that claimed the cure was around the corner. Well, we seem to be "closer" now but that prize still eludes us.
Back to fusion for Vince and all, I'll believe it when I see it. Eventually it will happen but for some reason we seem to be either barking up the wrong tree or there are powers that be that somehow supress it, maybe. I wonder about the second other using Occam's Razor, I put a litle more stock in the first. I do find the idea behind Farnsworth's fusor to be interesting though.
I did find this site, click on the pic, about the General Electric exhibit of the 1964/65 New York World's Fair that details the problems we need to solve to be able to have and use fusion as a source of power.
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posted on
06/18/2015 2:59:08 PM PDT
by
Nowhere Man
(Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
To: RayChuang88
I don’t disagree that lftr is the most plausible—that’s because its already been done and the best physicists of the greatest generations were behind lftr.
That’s something that anyone can easily understand.
But there’s a growing population of fusion scientists & 5-6 companies who claim fusion is doable. Gains in their world are not so easy to apprehend. That said. Its not prudent to ignore the the amount of smoke that’s being generated by fusion scientists.
The risk reward makes it worthwhile to pursue both.
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posted on
06/18/2015 3:04:27 PM PDT
by
ckilmer
(q)
To: Nowhere Man
had to look up Ocsam’s Razor :)
I’m terribly sorry you lost your mother. My pop died when i was young, and it’s like, wait, where did that person who was talking to me yesterday go? Hopefully to Heaven. I dont think the pain ever completely goes away but you learn to live with it.
My GF has had breast cancer twice and brain cancer (near the sinuses so they only damaged a small part of the brain) and she is still going forward.
We are going to have so much more fun in Heaven :)
Stay strong and I hope as time passes you feel a little better.
Thanks for the link!!
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posted on
06/18/2015 3:05:00 PM PDT
by
dp0622
To: ckilmer
It is only 30 years away....
Like the oceans that will swallow the coastline...
One could say that Fusion power was the model of Global warming alarmist in the science community, say there will be a result in 30 years and in 10 years it is still 30 years away....
And then say you need more funding to get or prevent the expected result that is always 30 years away...
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posted on
06/18/2015 3:12:22 PM PDT
by
GraceG
(Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
To: Nowhere Man
WOW! Got it in on the third post.
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