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Uber Driver Deemed Employee By California Labor Commission
techcrunch.com ^ | Jordan Crook

Posted on 06/17/2015 12:09:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin

As it stands now, Uber employs its drivers as third-party contractors, operating as a logistics company that provides access to customer demand and directions, transactions, etc. for the drivers. Uber has argued repeatedly in various courts that it is not a transportation or taxi company, but rather a software platform that matches customer demand with supply.

This ruling changes all that, turning Uber into a transportation startup instead of a logistics software company. That puts the company in a position to face a number of legal obstacles, as well as rising costs of employing those drivers directly and offering them benefits, etc.

As BI points out, one of Uber’s main costs is its full-time employees that work out of Uber corporate offices. If Uber drivers are deemed employees, the business model shifts drastically.

Uber is said to have more than a million drivers using the platform across the globe.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: California
KEYWORDS: lawsuit; ruling; uber
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1 posted on 06/17/2015 12:09:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

They’ve been advertising like crazy-mad here in, ‘The People’s Republik of Madistan’ for drivers to sign up.

Probably not after today, though. ;)


2 posted on 06/17/2015 12:14:14 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: BenLurkin

Socialism kills opportunity, progress, growth, novelty and lots more, with often insurmountsble friction. A perfect illustration, this.


3 posted on 06/17/2015 12:15:16 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: BenLurkin

What army does the California Labor Commission have? Let them try to enforce outside of California.


4 posted on 06/17/2015 12:18:20 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Isn't it funny that Socialists never want to share their own money?)
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To: BenLurkin

California wants to kill as many businesses as it can.


5 posted on 06/17/2015 12:19:33 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Claire Wolfe should check her watch. It's time.)
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To: BenLurkin

Gotta unionize it, dontcha know


6 posted on 06/17/2015 12:20:40 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: BenLurkin

By that logic, everyone who sells on eBay is a sales person employed by eBay.


7 posted on 06/17/2015 12:20:42 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: SunTzuWu

Exactly. It was the cab companies who basically have monopolies who pushed this ruling. They don’t want any competition.


8 posted on 06/17/2015 12:22:26 PM PDT by JMS
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To: BenLurkin

I’m sure Yellow Cab greased the skids on this ruling.


9 posted on 06/17/2015 12:23:45 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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To: SunTzuWu

BAM. Great analogy. I struggled to find an apples-to-apples comparison.


10 posted on 06/17/2015 12:27:35 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: BenLurkin

A contractor has the option to decline work and does not take supervision from the contratee. Providing uber is just posting rides and the driver is under no obligation to respond, they are not employees. This is per IRS guidelines.


11 posted on 06/17/2015 12:33:41 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: BenLurkin

I’m sure that Texas would welcome Uber’s corporate relocation to, say, Austin. . .


12 posted on 06/17/2015 12:41:44 PM PDT by Salgak (Peace Through Superior Firepower. . . .)
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To: BenLurkin

I worked in China a few years ago

Quite honestly, I don’t see a lot of difference between their government bureaucracy’s regulation of business, and our own. Both have many numerous government organs who feel they have the right to turn your business on its head, both create similar obstacles, and both have the same inherent risk of unpredictable, unexpected, random interference or change. China is becoming more capitalistic, while the USA becomes more socialistic and statist. We are meeting them in the middle.

Obviously, other aspects of their society are very different.


13 posted on 06/17/2015 12:42:05 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: BenLurkin

“without drivers such as the Plaintiff defendants business would not exist”.

Hmmm...without customers, vendors, the internet - any number of things then defendants business would not exist.


14 posted on 06/17/2015 12:44:16 PM PDT by Aria
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To: DownInFlames
The problem I believe is that if you sign up with Uber and refuse too many rides, or if you don't meet certain requirements that border on the types of requirements that employers make of their regular employees, then you can get canned by Uber.

Also Microsoft got successfully sued for employing contractors over extended periods of time (years in some cases). The courts ruled that those contractors were in reality employees and should be treated as such.

If certain drivers work for Uber over an extended period of time, they might come under the same ruling as contractors that really should be treated as employees.

15 posted on 06/17/2015 12:45:10 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: SunTzuWu
Read the decision. It's actually based on an application of standard principles when it comes to employer-contractor decisions. Once a company like Uber prohibits its drivers from negotiating their own fares, it loses a lot of credibility when it comes to categorizing these drivers as "independent contractors."

As I've said here many times, the Uber business model only works because it's built on drivers and customers who haven't figured out the real costs of the services involved.

16 posted on 06/17/2015 12:45:31 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ( "It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: P-Marlowe

Yellow cab drivers in NYC are independent contractors.

When I drove we leased a cab for a 12 hour shift.

Didn’t even get a 1099 form, it was all cash and the drivers paid the company for use of the vehicle,, the company paid us nothing.


17 posted on 06/17/2015 12:49:59 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA)
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To: BenLurkin

No more Uber in Californicatia


18 posted on 06/17/2015 12:50:50 PM PDT by mrs ippi (Stop obamatrade now!!)
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To: mrs ippi

California Uber Alles.


19 posted on 06/17/2015 12:51:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BenLurkin

This is a bit complicated and beyond engaging a few 1099 contractors here or there. Also, Uber is, if I recall correctly, mostly treating them as employees, setting terms, providing insurance, bonding, etc. They present themselves as Uber representatives, not as individuals. On eBay, by comparison, people are posting just like on Craigslist. Both very different, very independent business models. Uber should grow up and treat its workers as employees.


20 posted on 06/17/2015 12:51:53 PM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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