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To: z taxman
If these various Obamatrade bills are just supposed to be about stating that any future trade bills will be negotiated by the executive branch and then voted up or down by the legislative branch, then why are they rumored to be thousands of pages long?

It would seem that the honest thing to do would be to pass a simple bill giving the executive branch the power to negotiate these treaties and limiting the legislative branch to an up or down vote.

Later bills would fill in the details such as how many H-1b spots per year, how many visas to issue, what rules/regulations/taxes every country has to abide by, etc.

By rolling the authorization of future trade bills and the actual trade bills themselves into the same pieces of legislation, they are denying US citizens the ability to intelligently direct our representatives on what to do.

The two candidates I felt most strongly in favor of were Cruz and Walker. Now they've both decided to do with trade what Obama did with healthcare.

There is no serious candidate remaining. I may have to start thinking about Trump. However bad his toupee is, at least he talks like an American Citizen.

6 posted on 06/12/2015 1:23:30 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Great post.

Our forefathers would be shooting by now.


31 posted on 06/12/2015 3:55:16 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Donald Trump

born June 14, 1946 in Queens, New York, NY (Jus Soli R)

Parents were
Frederick Christ Trump, born October 11, 1905 in Queens, NY, died June 1999 in Queens, NY
Mary Ann MacLeod, born May 10, 1912 in SCOTLAND, died August 7, 2000 in Queens, NY. Arrived in US October 5, 1935. Naturalized as a US Citizen March 10, 1942.

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Jus Sanguinis)

Donald Trump is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

44 posted on 06/12/2015 4:47:01 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Mossberg 930 SPX)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Here is my take on the 2 issues I had trouble with Cruz on - H1B visas and this trade deal. They have something in common:

Cruz wants to get this country back on its feet economically. He talks over and over about creating jobs and bringing back industries, if you were to listen to HIM instead of the knee-jerk posters here.

Our students are not capable of becoming engineers and scientists. Statistics on graduation rates from universities prove this, as do the international math and science tests. IF we want to being back high tech industries NOW (within the 4-8 year time frame one president gets) we cannot wait for an overhaul of our education system. That will take 12 years - IF it is begun immediately, which isn’t likely with liberals having a stranglehold on our schools.

Cruz is anything but stupid. Cruz has held to conservative principles and to what he thinks would best serve this country in the face of threats from the GOP establishment. He is now campaigning for president and is even more in the limelight. Why would he sabotage his campaign? If you actually listen to his words, he is not talking down to us, he is not covering anything up - he is upfront and explains his position. He’s not belittling anyone, like the democrats do when disagreed with nor is he backing down because a handful of knee-jerk freepers are posting the SAME words on every thread, multiple times.

Why would Cruz go out of his way to agree with Obama, knowing his base would be infuriated, if he didn’t think it was in line with his vision for the country? Do you really think that a man capable of arguing and winning 13 (or was it 16) times in front of the Supreme Court would have a meltdown over a trade deal, and try to sabotage his campaign? I think he’d rather lose doing what he thinks is right than win by pandering.

So he fully believes this is best for his vision of the country, one that brings jobs back and revives the economy. That is a central theme in all his interviews. The interviews Freepers aren’t bothering to read before posting inflammatory remarks.

Obviously standing by what he believes is right, explaining it in a rational way, and drawing people into his vision of an economically viable country is more important to Cruz that to say what you want to hear to pander for your vote.

It worked for Reagan. But the liberals have had 35 years since then to dumb-down the schools, so maybe it is too late for this country.


72 posted on 06/13/2015 8:43:52 AM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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