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To: caww; dp0622
So when Assad falls who then will run Syria? Turkey going to step in the gap before the animals take over?

When Assad falls - and it is starting to look like a 'when' rather than an 'if,' unless he immediately moves to establish the 'Alawite state' I had mentioned - there will be no one to run Syria. Why? Because, even at present, Syria does not exist. As we chat, ISIS controls over 50% of the country and still appears to have quite some pep left in its step based on its current gains.

Syria is fallen.

The only questions are whether Assad will survive or go the way of Qaddafi, how big the Alawite 'state' in the West of the country-formerly-known-as-Syria will be, and whether ISIS will make moves into the northern part of the c-f-k-a-Syria and engage the Kurdish Pershmerga. That is it! Just those two questions! There is no query whatsoever of what may happen once ISIS wins ...the other rebel groups, the Al-Nusra Al-Qaeda unit, and any other units operating are simply not a match for ISIS. To be honest I am quite surprised that Al-Nusra is still functioning.

As for Turkey ...they are protected from direct attack by ISIS by their military (the best Moslem military), but primarily by the Kurdish Persmerga on their southern borders. They will not step in to help the Pershmerga though as they have a real Kurdish question in their own country, and a question that based on the recent elections is gaining real political strength.

The only questions, as mentioned, is the survival of Assad, the nature of the Alawite splinter, and whether ISIS will attempt to engage the Kurds in the c-f-k-a-Syria. That last question is important as ISIS did not have a good experience against the Kurdish Pershmerga in Iraq, and to be honest that is the ONLY group in the WORLD that has (to date) managed to stop ISIS. It is complicated though, as continued Pershmerga success doesn't make Turkey very happy.

As for the Alawite state ...I think what you will see is that once they are pushed to the sea, the Alawite-Shia fighters will engage with a ferocity that would make even the Pershmerga proud! When all you have is a simple choice between fighting like a beast, or getting slaughtered like one, things get crystal clear very quick! Thus, I think the Alawite splinter will survive - unless the West/Saudi Arabia decide to start bombing them. The Saudis seem intent to bomb anyone not Sunni.

As for Assad's survival ...live or die the man is finished.

As for ISIS - this is what I see. The only groups that will successfully fight them are the Kurdish Pershmerga and (well knit) Shia militia groups (probably buttressed by Iranian special forces units from the Quds group). However, these groups will be fighting simply to hold an existing position, and thus ISIS will spread at will (just leaving the northern parts of the c-f-k-a-Syria and the c-f-k-a-Iraq due to the Kurds, leaving the west of the c-f-k-a-Syria due to Alawite fighters willing to engage tank battalions with their teeth, and leaving the east of the c-f-k-a-Iraq to Shiite militias).

Then, ISIS will make a play towards Jordan (another non-Sunni country within reach) and Saudi Arabia (their spiritual mother as the Wahhabi/Salafist doctrine they follow was born there).

That will not elicit that much reaction - Jordan will lose some territory, and Saudi Arabia will mow down ISIS by the hundreds but the ISIS numbers will be built up by native Saudis who look at the government as infidel.

Then, what will finally happen to stop ISIS is that they will pull off the most spectacular attack on a Western city, and when that is done FINALLY the West will decide to fight. I don't mean nation building ...I don't mean hearts and minds ...I don't mean regime change ...I mean old school WW2 scorched earth.

And the West will win, and put such a tremendous emotional/racial scar on jihadi terrorism that it is very likely the same effect noted on Imperial Japan vs modern Japan will be seen! However, a lot of Americans will die for that to happen.

So, it is up to you as a people. I am not American (I'm Kenyan), but among my people there is a saying that the best time to kill a crocodile is when it is in its egg. That's because if you refuse to smash that shell underfoot, what will happen is that one day you will face an 18-foot leviathan rather than a squiggly little worm of a reptile.

If the West doesn't kill ISIS now, it will have to kill ISIS when it is a global amalgamated jihadi entity that just pulled off a major attack on a Western city ...but either case the West will have to kill ISIS. The question is when they will decide to do so, and to me it appears that the decision made is 'later.'

39 posted on 06/10/2015 3:52:04 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

It’s been said....if the Assad regime collapses violently, it is most likely that elements of ‘the Syrian National Council’, along with others, take over as an interim government,....who have gained recognition from the United States, France and other countries as a legitimate representative of the Syrian opposition......group already has a plan for a post-Assad era.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/26/world/meast/syria-next-leader/


45 posted on 06/10/2015 7:17:03 AM PDT by caww
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