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Unions Subdued, Scott Walker Turns to Tenure at Wisconsin Colleges
New York Times ^ | June 4, 2015 | MONICA DAVEY and TAMAR LEWIN with Dirk Johnson

Posted on 06/04/2015 10:43:55 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: garjog
Love it. What other pol would take on these two groups?

Walker knows the sweet spot that rattles their cages and loosens their power.

21 posted on 06/04/2015 11:21:37 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Cincinatus' Wife
Thank you, 2ndDivisionVet. My thoughts went there as well.

Honestly, I hope Scott can recover, clarify, somehow come back from that Patriot Act support comment. I really wanted the guy to win the primary.

As to Cincinatus' Wife: I've read Walker news articles voraciously the last couple of weeks (along with Cruz and other candidates I like). Perhaps you are upset at the moment that your candidate made a huge blunder with a substantial chunk of his potential constituency? I've sent him a couple of decent chunks of cash, too (Cruz as well before learning about his H1B comment).

I'm not happy with either of them at the moment. Your response to me makes me far less likely to support your guy however, because now I will associate him with the types of words you've posted in the your past couple of responses.

22 posted on 06/04/2015 11:22:18 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Did I claim that you did? I was saying that no thread, except certain religious ones, are “off-limits” to a wide variety of posters and discussion. We get all kinds of criticism of Ted Cruz on his threads and deal with it by responding to it. We don't expect people to “stay off” those threads because Cruz is sancrosect. We believe in him and are able to defend him with facts, not push-back on anyone who dares to criticize the candidate. See the difference? Ted Cruz is not my “god” and if he screws up royally I will admit it.
23 posted on 06/04/2015 11:25:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Confidence in Public Education at Abysmally Low Levels

24 posted on 06/04/2015 11:27:13 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Lexinom

I’m not upset.

I was banned a few years back for doing what you just did on this thread.

It’s bad form. I was wrong.

Perhaps you should consider what you’re doing before you post.


25 posted on 06/04/2015 11:29:08 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Walker’s not “my god,” so you can stop with the Alinsky tactics.

btw, you occasionally *ping* me to Cruz threads to point out a poster who has said something about Cruz - threads that I’m not on, have not commented to are unaware of, yet you go out of your way to draw me there to point fingers.

I really don’t understand your angry obsession about my posting threads for Walker, or feel that I am somehow responsible for other posters.


26 posted on 06/04/2015 11:33:30 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You sure do read a lot of things into comments that just aren’t there.


27 posted on 06/04/2015 11:38:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Right.


28 posted on 06/04/2015 11:41:47 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Every election for the past 3 running, the same group of names shows up backing lesser evils, illegal supporting candidates and RINOs at the expense of the most conservative option. The most conservative option then loses because support among conservatives is intentionally fragmented and in the end, the RINO must be voted for as our only hope.

Thats 3 elections now. This will be #4. Post histories do not lie.


29 posted on 06/04/2015 11:50:43 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: All
The Washington Post weighs in:

Is Gov. Scott Walker putting the University of Wisconsin system in jeopardy?

"......Earlier in the year Walker created a related controversy when he submitted a budget proposal that included language that would have changed the century-old mission of the University of Wisconsin system — known as the “Wisconsin Idea” and embedded in the state code — by removing words that commanded the university to “search for truth” and “improve the human condition” and replacing them with “meet the state’s workforce needs.” Walker was recently sued by a nonprofit watchdog group alleging that he is refusing to make public documents relating to the mission change effort.

The fierce debate over Republican plans for higher education in Wisconsin dovetail with changes in K-12 education that the state superintendent said will decimate public schools by refusing to spend more money on public education for the first time in more than 20 years while giving millions of dollars more to expand a private voucher program, slashing higher education funding, and weakening licensing rules for teachers.?"

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You might ask, what is the "Wisconsin Idea"?

I did.

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".....The Wisconsin Idea is a philosophy embraced by the University of Wisconsin System (UW System) that holds that university research should be applied to solve problems and improve health, quality of life, the environment, and agriculture for all citizens of the state. As explained by Adlai Stevenson, "the Wisconsin tradition meant more than a simple belief in the people. It also meant a faith in the application of intelligence and reason to the problems of society. It meant a deep conviction that the role of government was not to stumble along like a drunkard in the dark, but to light its way by the best torches of knowledge and understanding it could find."

This Progressive-era policy applied the expertise of the state's university to social legislation that benefited all the state's citizens; it led to classic programs such as regulation of utilities, workers' compensation, tax reform, and university extension services; sometimes expressed in the maxim that "the boundaries of the university are the boundaries of the state".

For more than a century, the university system has been guided by the Wisconsin Idea, a tradition first enunciated by University of Wisconsin President Charles Van Hise in 1904. Van Hise declared that he would "never be content until the beneficent influence of the university reaches every family in the state". Today that belief permeates the UW System's work, fostering close working relationships within the state, throughout the country, and around the world.

In 2015, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's budget proposal included the removal of the Wisconsin Idea from the University of Wisconsin's mission statement. Walker proposed replacing the mission's goal to "extend knowledge and its application beyond the boundaries of its campus" and to "serve and stimulate society" with a goal "to meet the state's workforce needs". After negative reaction from politicians and the public, the Wisconsin Idea was restored to the budget proposal."......

[SNIP]

30 posted on 06/04/2015 11:57:41 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

All right, peace.

(Still not sure what, exactly, was “bad form”, but I’ll take your word for it.)


31 posted on 06/05/2015 12:17:49 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Norm Lenhart

You’re putting my support for Rick Perry as the reason that Barack Obama is president?

You really need to get a grip.

I’ve picked my candidates over the years early and posted information to FR for people to read.

You state that posters who don’t back your choice are considered RINOs who are intentionally fragmenting the vote.

What is your posting history?


32 posted on 06/05/2015 12:20:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Lexinom

Okay.


33 posted on 06/05/2015 12:21:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My post history is one of rabidly standing up for conservatives, conservatives and conservative values.

And I often invite people to wade through it for proof. I stand by my words and the people I support and have no problem admitting mistakes.

Your post history is what it is and calling 2DV a ‘known quantity’ is farcical in light of your support and defense of RINOs at the expense of far more conservative options. An anti fence LaRazabot is one example.

Lest you forget, this ain’t the first rodeo you and I attended.


34 posted on 06/05/2015 12:26:09 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

And you always make it personal.

Why is that?


35 posted on 06/05/2015 12:28:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Because all politics is personal. Your support for liberal/RINOs hurts my country and myself, my family and everyone elses.

The illegals your support of Perry enabled had real world consequenses. When you add up all the supposed conservatives that back a fraud like Perry, a lot of people get hurt personally by the laws, or the ignoring of laws that results. Thats not arguable. Someone elected Rick Perry and his clones in DC, in local Govt. and elsewhere. Those people set policies because they have support for them. Thats how the system works.

So none of the illegals running over kids or murdering women or depressing wages happens in a vacuum. It has real world and PERSONAL impact on PEOPLE. If you are OK with that, don’t be upset when you get railed for it.


36 posted on 06/05/2015 12:33:52 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

You have no idea what my personal history is regarding illegals, nor the devastating thing done to a family member that forever altered the lives of so many (others families are hurt by illegal immigration and have to deal with these things too).

I have no love for them. I do not support illegal immigration. I want the border closed and laws followed.

You are WAY off base, smearing me to elevate your candidate.

Your portrayal of Perry and me is self-serving and incomplete.

Have you ever considered that you don’t know it all?


37 posted on 06/05/2015 12:59:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh I am well aware I don’t know it all. I never claimed to know it all. Not once. Ever.

I do however have the ability to read. I also have the ability to understand that when a person consistently backs people that support less than conservative ideals and align themselves with positions taken by the biggest problems we face today, namely the GOP and DNC, I don’t need to look any deeper nor posses omnipotence to come to a correct conclusion.

That being the people in question support liberalism at the expense of more conservative options. That is simple cause and effect.

If the name Rick Perry was stricken from history and someone was on FR saying “I support a man that forces dangerous drugs on children without parental consent, opposes border control that has proven effective for 3000 years, thinks Hillary was a great SOS, supports illegal land takings, wants to enrich his donors at the expense of his voters and thinks people opposing his beliefs are heartless, you would rightly think the person was a textbook liberal. You would also think anyone backing that person was likewise a liberal because every single one of those things is textbook liberal dogma.

But those things are just what Rick Perry did/believed and promoted. And it does not make his backers conservative because his name and his person are real and not a hypothetical.


38 posted on 06/05/2015 1:09:36 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
". . . seems to undermine the whole structure.

Well, DUH !

The whole structure has to be damn near demolished in order to turn it back into an education oriented system rather than a democrat fascist indoctrination and recruitment system.

I notice, by the way, the people who whine about this and blabber about tenure being critical aren't the least bit upset when a tenured solid Conservative is run off for some minor infraction of their PC hogwash.

Recognition for years of service is one thing, possibly with a few perks, but the tenure system has dissolved into nothing but a part of the toxic mass used to smother anything the democrat fascists don't approve of.

39 posted on 06/05/2015 1:37:58 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

What does your animosity toward me and Rick Perry have to do with Scott Walker? Scott Walker, who upon taking office, revoked instate tuition for illegals (only state/gov to do this).

Rick Perry would have locked down the border and policed it, worked to fix this, but you have such a bug about him that you’re blind to anything other than attacking people on your side.


40 posted on 06/05/2015 1:50:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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