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To: Travis McGee

This is an hypothesis I have, which explains and joins most of the various versions of events, including PD and non-PD witnesses. Of course, these are all rumors at this point. But this theory does tie up most versions in one plausible explanation.

It’s a given that ATF and Waco SWAT were already on scene, around the Twin Peaks, both in uniform and undercover, or concealed in vehicles.

It’s been stated in numerous accounts that a scuffle first broke out in the bathroom. Some allege that an undercover cop was wearing “false colors” into the Twin Peaks and was called out over it in the bathroom. IOW, the u/c false biker’s cover was blown. In the bathroom, it became heated, and the u/c cop pulled out his pistol, “badged up,” and tried to get out of the restaurant. Angry pushing ensues, possibly involving other brandished knives/pistols.

On the Waco PD tactical radio channel, all of the SWAT officers outside are hearing, “Officer in peril! Officer is being assaulted! Officer in trouble! Officer has weapons pointed at him! Officer needs help!”

As the little crowd (u/c cop with blown cover, surrounded by angry bikers) emerges from the Twin Peaks onto the parking lot, the already-present SWAT snipers have drawn beads on the Cossacks around the u/c false biker cop. The SWAT guys know who the officer is by a “telltale” such as a unique bandanna etc. They see knives and or guns being pointed at the u/c officer as he tries to flee the scene, his cover utterly blown.

One of the SWAT snipers perceives that the u/c cop is in immediate danger, and shoots one of the Cossacks who is holding a weapon, dropping him. After the first shot is made, it’s a case of “sympathetic shooting.” This was first discussed after the NYPD shooting of the unarmed Amadou Diallo in 1999. Basically, once ANYBODY fires a shot, all the cops will empty a magazine. “Shooting is shooting,” the brain just perceives a battle, not a one-way massacre.

So each of the SWAT snipers, firing scoped semi-auto carbines or scoped bolt guns, “takes out” one or more of the Cossacks around the “officer in danger.”

In the aftermath, the Waco PD has to cook up an alternative “gang war” story to cover their own disastrous actions, from sending in an u/c biker whose cover could be blown, to having a SWAT team on a hair trigger waiting outside, to the ensuing “sympathetic shooting” sniper massacre.

In this case, ballistics and blood trails will tell the tale. Even if the Waco PD tried to sanitize the scene, CSI-wise. Even if the Waco DA tries to strong-arm all 170 arrested bikers into signing “no lawsuit” gag agreements under threat of prison and financial ruin.

The above is just a theory I’m positing, a theory that to my mind explains all the known facts.

The truth will come out.


8 posted on 06/01/2015 6:04:39 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

In Baltimore, a bunch of those arrested were released after 48 hours of detention when they could not figure out what to charge them with. Seems like they they were able to recognize that they had a problem going forward and cut their losses.

Some lights seem to be flickering on in Waco now, two weeks out.


16 posted on 06/01/2015 6:09:55 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Travis McGee

Hi Travis McGee,

Via my nephew at Fort Hood: “I’d hate to be the impound lot attendant when over a hundred disgruntled bikers come to claim their bikes, and they are informed of the impound fee.”


24 posted on 06/01/2015 6:18:24 AM PDT by gwjack (May God give America His richest blessings.)
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My first thought on it that day was an under cover cop was sent in restroom or ran over someone’s foot in the parking lot for the sole purpose of starting a ruckus since SWAT and ATF was already on the scene targeting the door. Of course, him pulling out his badge would start something so either way. Bottom line they were set up.


26 posted on 06/01/2015 6:19:38 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Travis McGee

Your theory sounds plausible, and it makes the police shooting more understandable.

There is nothing illegal about wearing “false” colors. So in effect, you have a bunch of outlaws threatening a police officer with deadly force.

Lots of shootings by police start that way.

The intimidation by the bikers over their colors is not much different than the intimidation by Muslims over cartoons being drawn of Mohammed.

It may have been bad tactics, but threatening anyone with a weapon is an invitation to get shot.


29 posted on 06/01/2015 6:21:00 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Travis McGee

This +1. I wouldn’t sign anything and sit I jail if I had to. Then I can assure you my lawyer would be using the judges offer against any case Waco may bring against me. The prosecutor must have pushed this judge to make the offer because obviously this is about to blow up in their faces.


32 posted on 06/01/2015 6:23:21 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Travis McGee

I’m glad you have faith in them because I don’t.

I don’t believe any of this was by some unforeseen event, it was planned.


33 posted on 06/01/2015 6:25:00 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Travis McGee
The “started in the bathroom” is being disputed by many that were on the scene. One version is it started over a parking spot and the Banditos SaA shot the first Cassock in the head. Don't know which version is true. Some are saying that the bathroom incident was at a previous event. Also, I have seen that all the bullet holes and the dead and wounded were outside the building. If true then the parking space story makes more sense. Like you say - sooner or later it will all come out.
43 posted on 06/01/2015 6:32:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Travis McGee
Excellent insightful legal analysis.

Taken a step further, those arrested are being forced to sign an agreement not to sue... by a judge in order for law enforcement to move past this incident which is still lingering.

First, those signing the agreement to be release are not bound nor are they precluded from eventually challenging the order in the court system.

A good legal team probably could represent those arrested by demanding the judge be sequestered, and questioned as to his connection in this case, e.g., did he sign the warrants or was he involved in any other aspects of this case behind the scenes in support of law enforcement/USG? The USG and law enforcement organizations can be asked to explain why they were given the authorizations, in detail, to infiltrate the bikers? Was it just to keep tabs, say like the broad purpose of the NSA spying on Americans, or was it specific to murders, drug trafficking, money laundering, prostitution, tax evasions, etc. Maybe the purpose was to keep tabs on people who might actually be conservative as opposed to liberals - somehow Hollywood always portrays bikers as right wing types but it seems more likely they fit the hippy-mode better.

Once the shooting started, it must be assumed that the government will be protected since they were most likely federal agencies (however, if they were local police the question arises if "Biker's Lives Matters?" and if the actions of law enforcement will be challenged over bikers the way the black community challenges)....

47 posted on 06/01/2015 6:37:02 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Travis McGee
The truth will come out.

Never when the government is involved.

49 posted on 06/01/2015 6:40:52 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Travis McGee

Great hypothesis


59 posted on 06/01/2015 6:52:19 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: Travis McGee

Undercover is never vigilant enough and thats always the risk, and now he is in trouble.

9 dead with head shots in the parking lot is not the approved way to extricate a compromised officer.

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Exactly what was this undercover officers mission that would facilitate ATF and SWAT involved with the surveillance?


81 posted on 06/01/2015 7:16:08 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: Travis McGee

That is a plausible scenario. I have about 800 billable hours experience in precisely this sort of civil litigation. Hopefully this did not happen.


97 posted on 06/01/2015 7:35:21 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Travis McGee

Forensics labs have been known to produce false results as they are paid by how many successful prosecutions they help. If the defense has enough resources, they can hire experts of their own, and hope the evidence wasn’t tampered with.


152 posted on 06/01/2015 9:19:01 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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