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Supreme Court to Weigh Meaning of ‘One Person One Vote’
The New York Times ^ | 26 May 2015 | Adam Liptak

Posted on 05/26/2015 2:55:52 PM PDT by Theoria

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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

In Ohio, if you don’t own the property, then you don’t pay the tax.


41 posted on 05/26/2015 4:48:45 PM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: joe fonebone

I’m not an attorney, but I’m pretty sure condo ownership can be seized for failure to pay taxes. They’re certainly foreclosed on by the mortgage holder with regularity.

Since apartment dwellers have no property rights in their unit, I’m unsure why you think the government should take property they don’t own.

I can assure you the last time my landlord’s property taxes went up, he raised the rent as soon as the lease expired.

I’m unclear why you think property taxes are some appalling innovation. They’ve been the mainstay of local revenue since long before the Revolution.

I assume that if only property owners should vote on how high property taxes should be, then votes should be in proportion to the taxes paid.


42 posted on 05/26/2015 4:49:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: xzins
If you pay rent then you are paying the tax.

They don't break it out for you but everything from normal maintenance to property taxes to building insurance is included in your rent payment.

43 posted on 05/26/2015 4:54:34 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I would disagree. You are paying what the market will bear in terms of price for that particular rental in that particular area. And, when push comes to shove, it is the property owner who must send in the money to the tax office.


44 posted on 05/26/2015 4:59:11 PM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: joe fonebone

I’m not an attorney, but I’m pretty sure condo ownership can be seized for failure to pay taxes. They’re certainly foreclosed on by the mortgage holder with regularity.

Since apartment dwellers have no property rights in their unit, I’m unsure why you think the government should take property they don’t own.

I can assure you the last time my landlord’s property taxes went up, he raised the rent as soon as the lease expired.

I’m unclear why you think property taxes are some appalling innovation. They’ve been the mainstay of local revenue since long before the Revolution.

I assume that if only property owners should vote on how high property taxes should be, then votes should be in proportion to the taxes paid.


45 posted on 05/26/2015 5:00:37 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: wastedyears
Not being law-minded, I have no idea what this means.

When Democrats win elections, they get to redistrict however they feel like it. When Republicans win elections, they get to redistrict however the Democrats feel like it.

46 posted on 05/26/2015 5:02:40 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Politics is downstream from culture." -- Andrew Breitbart)
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To: xzins
Everyone pays property tax. Even the homeless. Why?

1) Homeowners pay property tax and it is a very visible tax.

2) Renters pay property tax because it is included in their rent. They just don't see it.

3) Businesses pay property taxes. In some states and cities there is property tax even on the equipment ***inside** the buildings that are also taxed. This property tax is passed on to every customer that buys the product or uses the service ( even the homeless!) There is property tax included in the cost of every product and service from the mining of the raw materials, manufacture, wholesaler, and retailer! It's a **lot** of tax!

47 posted on 05/26/2015 5:03:25 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: joe fonebone
My husband and i have owned 4 condos ( 3 residential and 1 business condo) and one traditional house.

Condo owners pay property taxes just like those who live in more traditional housing. No difference.

48 posted on 05/26/2015 5:08:33 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: wintertime

See #44.

You aren’t necessarily having that tax included in anything, AND the burden of the taxation doesn’t begin to touch a renter or a generalized consumer.


49 posted on 05/26/2015 5:11:28 PM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins
You are paying what the market will bear in terms of price for that particular rental in that particular area.

They do not pick a number out of the air or even entirely based on comps.

The landlord figures out in advance what his fixed expenses are, these include property taxes, mortgage payment, insurance, administration and maintenance.

There are other expenses that may or may not be included such as utilities and security and other amenities.

Once they figure out how much their costs are they then figure out what the market rate is in that area and how much their profit will be.

While it is true the landlord is the one who cuts the check for the taxes, mortgage and everything else that is covered by your rent the money in the account comes from your check.

It is like when you pay taxes to the government and they pay for stuff. They may have cut the check but the money came from you.

50 posted on 05/26/2015 5:20:31 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Theoria; Carry_Okie
Mark my words!!! (snort!)

I haven't read it yet. Gotta go to an appointment. I pinged for later read...

51 posted on 05/26/2015 5:24:14 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Help Stamp Out Pernicious Progressives and Arrogant Activists With Their Liberalism!!!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Of course the landlord figures out his expenses, but the economy has an impact and the competition has an impact. A renter isn’t necessarily paying property tax. Also, a renter is certainly not going to get nailed by the country tax office. There are many homeowners, for example, renting houses they own in one area while they live in another. Often they’re delighted just to get someone in the house and paying a chunk of what’s due. Not only do they NOT insist on a profit, they don’t insist on their expenses being met. This is not speculation on my part. I had a military career and saw it over and over again. A renter does not necessarily pay property tax.


52 posted on 05/26/2015 5:28:12 PM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins
While the property owner sends the check, property taxes are part of the cost owning that property. Businesses pass that cost on to the consumer. Landlords must include the property tax in the rent.

I know. I have been a small business owner and a landlord.

53 posted on 05/26/2015 6:23:06 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: xzins
A renter does not necessarily pay property tax.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Those properties quickly deteriorate and are often abandoned to the city or county and sold ( if the city can) at sheriff's auction. In some cities, like Philadelphia, large portions of whole blocks are abandoned to the city. And....Businesses that do not make enough to cover their expenses, of which property taxes is one of those expenses, go out of business.

54 posted on 05/26/2015 6:27:05 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: xzins
Of all the taxes that I paid property taxes on my equipment really irritated me the most. Geez! The very equipment that provided jobs and services? All of it was passed on to the consumer. It had to be for me to keep my doors open.

Property taxes are one of the most hidden, regressive, and least transparent taxes of all. And....The poor get punched in the nose with them and don't even know it. Hey! You're a Freeper. You're not one of the low info voters and you don't “get it” when it comes to property taxes.

Finally, property taxes mean that no one every actually “owns” anything. The government does. People are really just renters to the government. Fail to pay the government “rent” ( property taxes) and you will soon be evicted.

55 posted on 05/26/2015 6:33:42 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

That explains it a bit.


56 posted on 05/26/2015 6:34:41 PM PDT by wastedyears (Knights of Sidonia)
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To: wintertime

I’m talking homes in good neighborhoods. Generally, they’re placed with a property manager, and they take a fee, too. The homeowner renting their property is concerned with get a large portion of their expenses covered, but, in my experience, seldom to they get near their expenses.


57 posted on 05/27/2015 5:47:42 AM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: wastedyears

“I have no idea what this means”

Here’s what it boils down to. Say there are three Congressional Districts each with a population of 100,000 people. In District 1 all residents are eligible to vote. In Districts 2 and 3 only 50% of residents are eligible to vote.

But since representation is set by total population and not eligible voter, all three get a Congressman.

As a result, the “votes” of the voters in Districts 2 and 3 count more than the voters of District 1.

What this case could do is toss out population as a factor, replacing it with number of eligible voters. The result would be that Districts 2 and 3 would be combined, making them equal to District 1.


58 posted on 05/27/2015 6:03:38 AM PDT by tanknetter
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