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U.S. Army Raising “Concerns” Over CMP Transfers
FPC Blog ^ | May 24, 2015 | Evan Gillespie

Posted on 05/24/2015 12:41:01 PM PDT by OK Sun

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To: Bryanw92
I shot a lot of 1911’s in my military days. All were worn-out crap.

Luckily, I did not have to carry one, but the ones we fired in boot camp were certainly that way.

101 posted on 05/24/2015 7:49:10 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Bryanw92
junk based on the fact that all the guns I owned were tight.

Your tight pistol won't function when exposed to the filth of combat. Tight guns are why so many self proclaimed experts criticize the 1911 platform as unreliable. Those rattling pieces of junk shoot well enough to hit a man at 50 yards and then some. When that is needed, if you are shooting X rings, you are shooting too slow.

102 posted on 05/24/2015 7:58:54 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: elcid1970
A decent 1911 runs about $700. Ditto for a Beretta M9 pattern. The S&W Governor (45LC/410 shotgun) in stainless runs around $670. Below that price point you get polymer frames. Above that point you get higher quality components with better tolerances.
103 posted on 05/24/2015 10:05:42 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Bryanw92
until someone handed me a brand-new Norinco in 1992.

I still have my Norinco. It now has a lot of Colt parts and operates flawlessly. It's more accurate than me!

104 posted on 05/24/2015 10:16:07 PM PDT by Antoninus II
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To: RipSawyer

>>If you accept the figures, yes. Personally I think the truth is considerably worse than that.

The actual CPI says that $250 in 1990 is $452 today, so I agree with you that the truth is considerably worse.


105 posted on 05/25/2015 4:37:49 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Lion Den Dan

>>Your tight pistol won’t function when exposed to the filth of combat. Tight guns are why so many self proclaimed experts criticize the 1911 platform as unreliable. Those rattling pieces of junk shoot well enough to hit a man at 50 yards and then some. When that is needed, if you are shooting X rings, you are shooting too slow.

Glocks, Sigs, and Berettas work fine in combat and they are tight guns. Many self-proclaimed experts believe the myth that a “combat gun” must be a loose gun that rattles when you walk. I honestly can’t see why you got your panties in such a wad over my original comment. I did not insult your precious 1911. I was only commenting on the state of the government’s 1911s. I have owned several 1911s, used them in competition, and continue to own a few. They are plentiful and not too expensive these days, so why would I want to play the CMP lottery and jump through all the government hoops to get a gun that is probably going to require a complete overhaul?

But if I was going out to door with a handgun to a gunfight, I would choose a different gun because, as you have said, a gun that drills the X-ring is not a good combat pistol and a finicky racegun is not a real combat pistol. I would go out the door with my Glock if I knew I was going to be fighting. It will hit a man at 50 yards, it is unquestionably reliable beyond any other gun out there, it has capacity, and I trust it.


106 posted on 05/25/2015 4:49:47 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: PhilCollins; Impy; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj

OUR taxes paid for them already anyway. They BELONG to We The People.

But hey... why should we should let facts get in the way, right?


107 posted on 05/25/2015 5:39:00 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Bryanw92

You could take that US Army 1911 and shake it and there was so much slop it would rattle, even when the breech was “locked” if such a word is appropriate.


108 posted on 05/26/2015 4:54:14 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: thorvaldr

Yeah, Fast and Furious, Baltimore...


109 posted on 05/26/2015 5:01:41 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: NFHale; PhilCollins; Impy; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued

I remember reading a year or so ago that South Korea had (actual) tons of Korean War-era rifles they wanted to return to the USA, but Una Paloma Negro held it up.

I’d like a surplus M1 or Springfield ‘03.


110 posted on 05/26/2015 4:41:55 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: GOPsterinMA; PhilCollins; Impy; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued

I’d LOVE an old 03A4 Springfield.

Gibbs Rifle Company makes near-perfect reproductions from original parts. Take a look:

http://www.gibbsrifle.com/1903-a3_rifle.html

These are fine shooters. Buddy of mine has one. It’s a tack driver.


111 posted on 05/26/2015 5:54:20 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: GOPsterinMA; PhilCollins; Impy; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued

Here’s another one setup like the originals:
http://www.gibbsrifle.com/1903-a4_sniper_rifle_.html


112 posted on 05/26/2015 5:55:40 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; All

That thing looks the b*lls!!!


113 posted on 05/26/2015 5:59:25 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

It’s freaking beautiful.

Wood and steel... like a Rifle should be.

Now, chamber it in 7.62x51 NATO so it’s round off the ground capable, and you gots a REAL winner...


114 posted on 05/26/2015 6:08:12 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

I like it!

Can you fire .308 (7.62 x 51) out of an M1 (7.62 x63)?


115 posted on 05/26/2015 6:13:12 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

There are some M1 Garands chambered for 7.62x51mm NATO; they’re modern made. I believe IMI makes - or made - them; also, Fulton Armory, too.

http://www.fulton-armory.com/M1-Garand.aspx


116 posted on 05/26/2015 6:20:52 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

There was also a conversion kit, but I wouldn’t recommend it.

.30-06 is 7.62x63mm long; NATO .308 is 7.62x51mm. Quite a difference.

I’m sure there’s some old gun guys out here who used that conversion... believe the Navy had a bunch of them for a while.


117 posted on 05/26/2015 6:22:36 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

That’s cool!

I was thinking, if one was out of 30.06, could you fire .308 out of a Garand?


118 posted on 05/26/2015 6:23:26 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: OK Sun

Put California state senator Leland Yee in charge of distributing them.


119 posted on 05/26/2015 6:25:29 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: GOPsterinMA

No, headspace is different, cartridge length is different... Not advisable.

The round itself is the same; it’s the cartridge length that is the show stopper.

Personally, I’ve always liked the .30-06 better. But I’m just old school....


120 posted on 05/26/2015 6:27:35 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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