Posted on 05/21/2015 5:37:51 AM PDT by Jack Black
Great questions.
When one side has control of the Media and they claim they were 100% right, I smell an odor.
“I know of no one who has been shot over wearing colors of a club they don’t belong to.”
google “shot for wearing colors”
Utter bullshit. You are comparing government agencies, which are chartered by law, with the desires of gangs. Is some neighborhoods in LA one can not wear red, because it symbolizes the other gang. That's not legitimate, it's evil thuggery. The only law supporting that is the law of the jungle "right makes right". Sure, you should expect trouble if you are not a member of any organization and wear their uniform. You'd be an idiot to wear Hell's Angels colors if you don't belong to that group.
But the CoC mechanism (and the backstory being told about Waco) is that no one else can have the word "Texas" displayed on their colors because the Bandidos say so. To equate that with not wearing a police uniform is asinine. Truly, I hope you understand the difference.
Gee, there are lots of other groups that way...Police, military, even company logos. Try going to Disneyland dressed like an employee and see how far that gets you.
I've covered the police and fire above. As for your Disney example, it's private property. If I try to go in he Bandidos club house with a Texas patch on my non-Badidios vest they have a right to exclude me, just as Disney would. What they don't have a right ot do is beat the crap out of me at Joe's Bar because they don't like the insignia on my vest.
Go for a stroll in a police uniform some time if you aren't a cop and see where that gets you. Really. Yes, but there are laws about that. There are no laws about "rockers", just thugs telling other people what to do.
“I know of no one who has been shot over wearing colors of a club they don’t belong to. But, then I know of no one who would do that anyway. “
Dude in California was shot because he was wearing his pizza hut uniform ... a red shirt.
And many more like it via Google.
1% biker gangs are no more deserving of "respect" than the Crips and Bloods. They operate using the same methods: fear, intimidation and violence. Which is why most people detest criminal gangs, regardless of whether they are street gangs, prison gangs, ethnic gangs, organized crime gangs, or biker gangs.
“As far as keeping non-members from wearing your insignia, think of it as combating copyright infringement.
Gee, even Harley-Davidson and Coca-Cola do that.”
Really? Coca-Cola and HD whack people for that?
“The Coalition of Clubs? I doubt it, not any more than ABATE. People from all walks of life who ride participate, including independents.”
The chairman of the Texas Coalition of Clubs and Independents is a Bandido. You can work your way down from there.
Most of the big motorcycle clubs have copyrights on their insignia. The Hell's Angels and others have gone to court to protect them, as could any other organization.
The Bandidos do not hold the copyright to the word "Texas" in any form, even when displayed on the bottom third of a denim vest.
The Crips do not hold a copyright on the color red.
Your continuing attempts to hand-wave away the gross criminal conduct of these groups is creepy and disingenuous.
It's surprising that someone on a Conservative web site is an apologist for thuggish criminals intimidating people. I tend to expect that from liberals, but expect most Conservatives understand "rightful liberty".
Despite having a page full of quotes from the founders on your home page you really don't seem to get it.
“But the CoC mechanism (and the backstory being told about Waco) is that no one else can have the word “Texas” displayed on their colors because the Bandidos say so. “
The chairman and several officers of the Texas CoC are Bandidos.
Very Nice.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/gangs-all-here
Last March, for instance, police in Austin announced that the Bandidos were the prime suspects in one of the city’s most shocking murders: the slaying of a 44-year-old local motorcyclist named Anthony Benesh. Benesh, who had been trying to start an Austin chapter of the Hells Angels, had been shot in the head, apparently by an unseen sniper, as he was leaving a North Austin restaurant with his girlfriend and two children. According to homicide detective
The bottom line is that no one wants some person who isn't approved (in this case by the issuing group) wearing insignia which identify them as a member of that group. Period.
The reasons for this are self-evident to anyone who has a brain, and include not having your group blamed for doing something you didn't.
With the great sense of 'fair play' I have seen spewed on this thread and others on the subject, I can tell that something as simple as a petition for injunction would be met with complete sympathy. Maybe the Banditos should lobby the legislature for a law? (That was sarcasm, in case that evaded you).
The 'so effing what, who cares attitude' is what prompts people to take care of the problem themselves, people from all walks of life. How far that goes depends on the person.
As for a Texas patch, wear one, just not as a rocker, and I really doubt you will get your butt kicked. The rocker is a form of insignia claimed by another group and wearing that might cause issues. Just like wearing a military uniform if you haven't served, or don't deserve to wear the ribbons you have on. (You can get 'schooled' for that, too).
As for going to a Banditos club house with a Texas rocker on your vest, well, why would you be associating with 1%ers, anyway? (Yep, more sarcasm)
“As for a Texas patch, wear one, just not as a rocker, and I really doubt you will get your butt kicked.”
So, if you wear one as a rocker, you will get your butt kicked?
And you approve of that behavior?
BTW, I didn't come here to defend any particular club. I'm an independent, and have been for decades.
So quit spamming me with 'this group is evil so all bikers are evil" trollery.
It isn't working, even if it seems loud in the echo chamber.
“As for going to a Banditos club house with a Texas rocker on your vest, well, why would you be associating with 1%ers, anyway? (Yep, more sarcasm) “
Why would the Cossacks go to a restaurant wearing a Texas rocker where there are Bandidos in attendance?
I couldn't say one way or the other. It was someone else who made that assertion. I was just trying to be helpful.
By all means, go get your butt kicked. Twice if you're not too tired.
“So quit spamming me with ‘this group is evil so all bikers are evil” trollery.”
I never said all bikers are evil. So quit trying to rewrite my posts.
My father was riding Harley’s before WWII.
I started riding in the 50’s. I have toured the U.S. on a motorcycle.
But I will NEVER defend the gangs like you do.
Ask them. Maybe they went for the meeting, maybe to ogle the waitresses, heck, maybe they were hungry.
Luk 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
“Why would a Christian Biker hang out with 1%’ers at a bar called Twin Peaks! Beam Me Up!”
Luk 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
Where did Jesus deliver the Gospel?
It is just absolutely unbelievable that in 2015 there wouldn't be video available.
I'm a biker. Have ridden with Christian biker orgs, and the PGR. I know that some 1%ers can be really bad news, but also know that there are Christian Motorcycle Ministries attempting to minister to these folk both in and out of prison. It is not an easy or safe mission.
I think that it really says something that there are so many folks who would actually believe the 1%ers over any pronouncements by Fedgov. It says a lot about how far down Feds in specific, and cops in general have fallen in the average Joe's estimation.
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