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This wind turbine has no blades — and that’s why it’s better
Grist.org ^ | 20MAY2015 | Amelia Urry

Posted on 05/20/2015 6:58:43 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine

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To: dsc

Never thought of it that way — to me the wicked ayatollah takes a crap in the white hut.


41 posted on 05/20/2015 8:44:08 PM PDT by 353FMG (muzzies are a national security liability.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

42 posted on 05/20/2015 8:51:43 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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To: Flick Lives

They show up on weather radar in some areas and look like precipitation.


43 posted on 05/20/2015 8:56:14 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: 353FMG
Isn’t anyone in Congress concerned that, building more of these windmill farms could make this country take off and fly away?

"Of course I am concerned."

44 posted on 05/20/2015 9:14:08 PM PDT by FredZarguna (We are vain and we are blind/I hate people when they're not polite.)
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To: Tucker39
No, it is correct.

You can think of a simplified model of it in this way [which is actually a valid physical metaphor]: When water falls over Niagara falls, it reaches the basin with an enormous kinetic energy. That energy has to be dissipated, and it is, through frictional forces, which not only heat the water but also erode the basin at the foot of the waterfall.

[This pressure, which arises from a gradient in gravitational potential energy, is no different from the gradient that arises between two areas of different barometric pressure.]

If you put a hydroelectric dam, or just a water-paddle in the falls, the water will arrive with considerably less energy when it reaches the bottom. But note: we haven't changed the gradient. The is still just as much of a potential energy difference at the top and bottom of the falls as there was before. This means there is going to be less water thrown up into the atmosphere as water vapor, and less erosion at the base of the falls because of the energy we've extracted to do work.

Same thing happens with turbulent fluid flow impeded by turbines when gases are involved. The pressure differential cannot be alleviated as quickly if we put a turbine in the way and take work from it; it will take longer to equilibrate, and there will be reduced wind velocity downstream. As a result, you may very well see weather changes downwind. Probably not... because we trap a very small fraction of the atmosphere's energy in a wind turbine, even an array, but there are still observable effects.

45 posted on 05/20/2015 9:28:46 PM PDT by FredZarguna (We are vain and we are blind/I hate people when they're not polite.)
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46 posted on 05/20/2015 9:34:09 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen (When the going gets tough...the Low Information President Obola (LIPO) goes golfing)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

bfl


47 posted on 05/20/2015 9:34:24 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I have trouble believing that. The energy conversions I’ve dealt with always have losses and the losses have always been represented by the generation of heat.


48 posted on 05/21/2015 1:28:03 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: GraceG
Screwing with the wind will eventually affect earth’s rotation, or so the greens will be whining in 100 years...

Yes, it might result in the slowing of the earth's rotation, which could cause permanent daylight savings time. This extra sunlight, with a reduction in cooling breezes, would cause global warming. On the other side of the earth, where the sun don't shine, it would experience global cooling. Then, every time some liberal says we are a bunch of racists, we can just tell them to go put it in that area of the earth, where the sun don't shine. I have always taken great pleasure in telling libtards to stick it where the sun don't shine. This will give me another opportunity to do just that. 😂

49 posted on 05/21/2015 1:59:00 AM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forever more endure.)
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To: Flick Lives

Trees have the same effect.

Oh the huge manatee!


50 posted on 05/21/2015 2:26:00 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The Age of Folly.


51 posted on 05/21/2015 2:47:30 AM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Francis)
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To: dsc

Only with a huge government subsidy

Windfarms are leftist investment sumps.

wealthy people get together in a consortium, get government to pony up to build the windmills after taking over peasant land and ruining local property values, then though laws in place force local power companies to purchase power generated. Whether they need it or not. So the taxpayer gets hit twice, in the building of the boondoggle and in their power rates.


52 posted on 05/21/2015 3:37:11 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
With enough wind, vorticity can lead to an oscillating motion in structures, which, in some cases, like the … Tacoma Narrows Bridge, can cause their eventual collapse.

And there's the problem w/ the idea. The tube has to be anchored at the base which means the shedding vortices's which drive the vibrations of the top of the tube will induce bending moments at the base. The result will be metal fatigue which will lead to failure of the tube. Just bend a paper clip back and forth a bit and you will get the idea.

The other problem which is waved off is how do they intend to extract electrical energy from the device. There is talk of "magnets" which are described as parts of a "non-electric" motor when what is needed is a generator. The vibrating tube will have it's greatest motion amplitude at the unconstrained top end and no motion at all at the base. Wear is the generator to be mounted, 40 feet in the air?

Regards,
GtG

53 posted on 05/21/2015 5:20:45 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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54 posted on 05/21/2015 5:53:41 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Flick Lives

This is true — a colleague once calculated the temperature drop in Europe if all European energy were generated by windmills. It was a few Centigrade degrees.


55 posted on 05/21/2015 6:56:13 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
"At the base of the cone are two rings of repelling magnets, which act as a sort of nonelectrical motor. When the cone oscillates one way, the repelling magnets pull it in the other direction, like a slight nudge to boost the mast’s movement regardless of wind speed. This kinetic energy is then converted into electricity via an alternator that multiplies the frequency of the mast’s oscillation to improve the energy-gathering efficiency"

This paragraph is utter nonsense. Either the author had no clue what he was saying, or the "scientists" didn't explain it to him. If this thing could actually put out nearly the same energy as a wind turbine, it may not slice and dice birds, but it would certainly beat them to death if they tried to land on or near it.

56 posted on 05/21/2015 7:17:21 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: chopperman

True for a heat engine. The Carnot efficiency sets the upper bound on efficiency and how much heat loss there will be. Extracting energy from the atmosphere is entirely different. Sure you will generate some heat in bearings, gearbox, generator, but you are extracting far more energy to convert to electricity. Of course, more heat is lost during electricity transmission and end-use, but those can be long distances from where the energy was removed from the atmosphere. There will be conservation of energy, but could be large-scale local or regional effects.

Wind will never be a huge chunk of the mix, so it’s not a big deal. Just an interesting curiousity.


57 posted on 05/21/2015 7:22:54 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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To: GraceG

Not only that, but could you imagine what would happen if you put a bunch of these on an island? It could possibly capsize.


58 posted on 05/21/2015 7:48:19 AM PDT by nitzy (I don't vote for Republican'ts)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Bingo.

It took 12 posts, but I knew someone would lock onto it.

I’d like to know how fast the wind needs to be moving in order for this to be effective.

It wasn’t a light breeze that brought down the Narrows Bridge.

The interesting part of this is that you CAN, quite possibly, build this like an antenna, or set of antennas, on the outside of a moving automobile. When the car is in motion, the windvane generates power.


59 posted on 05/21/2015 7:56:26 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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