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To: Mrs. Don-o
Gay marriage, gay adoption via surrogate mothers (Nepali women, for instance, exploited as paid reproductive concubines), legal abortion and atheism. Israel's Jews are no more under halachic law than are San Francisco's... I don't think there is a theological reason to think God's promises are to be enforced for anti-Jesus anti-Torah apostates.

So first it is geography and polity, and now it is morality that justifies breaking the command not to sell or divide the land from applying to Israel today, but which is based on a fundamental fallacy. For the commands apply regardless, and breaking them adds to that of others, such as abortion.

Since Israel also did not have a valid Levitical priesthood when the modern state was founded, nor does it have this now, then you can eliminate the regathering and founding of the state of Israel as being a work of God and fulfillment of prophecy.

However, God did not choose Israel because of their merit, nor does God love natural Israel and promise a future repentance to the remaining descendants because of their obedience, but because they are beloved for the Father's sake.

See ISRAEL: CHOSEN OR FORGOTTEN?

46 posted on 05/17/2015 7:00:01 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Yes, I think that for both reasons --- geographic and moral/theological --- Israel does not have a "right" for borders that extend from the Euphrates to the Nile.

Our differences about the application of the Torah to present-day political, social and military policy are probably too extensive to discuss fruitfully. If there were a Davidic King there might (might) by some justification for territorial revanchism. But I don't think that will happen until Jesus comes again.

48 posted on 05/18/2015 5:00:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (One Lord - One Faith - One Baptism.)
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