Posted on 05/15/2015 12:03:20 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
That free trade is advantageous to both sides is the rarest of political propositions provable, indeed mathematically. David Ricardo did so in 1817.
The Law of Comparative Advantage has held up nicely for 198 years.
Nor is this abstract theory. Weve lived it. The free-trade regime created after World War II precipitated the most astonishing advance of global welfare and prosperity the world has ever seen.
And that regime was created, overseen, guaranteed and presided over by the United States.
That era might be coming to a close, however, as Democratic congressional opposition to free trade continues to grow.
On Tuesday, every Democrat in the Senate (but one) voted to block trade promotion aka fast-track authority for President Obama, which would have given him the power to conclude the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a trade deal being hammered out with 11 other countries, including such key allies as Japan, Australia and Singapore.
Fast-track authority allows an administration to negotiate the details of a trade agreement and then come to Congress for a non-amendable up-or-down vote.
In various forms, that has been granted to every president since Franklin Roosevelt. For good reason. If the complex, detailed horse trading that is required to nail down an agreement is carried out in the open especially with multiple parties the deal never gets done.
Like all modern presidents, Obama wants a deal. But he has utterly failed to bring his party along.
Its not just because for six years hes treated all of Congress with disdain and prefers insult to argument when confronted with opposition, this time from Democrats like Elizabeth Warren. Its also because hes expended practically no political capital on the issue. He says its a top priority. Has he given even a single televised address?(continued)
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You are saying to me, it doesn’t matter that we run massive trade deficits?
You are actually saying that?
Yes.
I am extremely suspicious of mathematical "proofs" that involve human-related variables. And that's because such proofs always assume that humans will make optimal decisions. But humans are not robots.
As an example, sometimes a leader will choose a less than optimal economic outcome in return for, say, a political advantage. And since the proof did not take politics into account, the proof falls apart.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2010/11/walter-e-williams/trade-deficits-are-irrelevant/
Protectionists and others (perhaps the ignorant) worry about trade deficits but ignore the capital account surplus that is created.
He cannot know. Because the provisions of the bill are secret (WTH?), Dr. K cannot possibly know whether refusing to pass it is better or worse than the status quo.
The bill may be fine and dandy, but I know that what this admin does in secret is often anathema to a free people.
You are completely wrong.
Economists are wrong, as a bunch of eggheads who cannot grasp simple truth.
America is strong when we support American companies. When Americans spend American money on imports, they are sending our money to that foreign country, which makes the other country richer and makes America poorer.
We are now over 18 trillion dollars in the hole, that is rapidly getting worse, yet you are going to say with a straight face this is meaningless.
Our problem is as a country, we have a bunch of nitwits in charge.
Americans need jobs.
Someone needs to support Americans jobs once again.
Right now.
For me, the fact it must be ultra secret is the problem itself. Whenever any administration (much less this one) gets secretive, I worry for my wallet and my safety.
Why is this secret treaty acceptable, yet most (if not all) of us worry about the Iran deal?
I haven’t even seen the Morris column about TPP.
Well - I estimate that 50% of Freepers agree with me and 50% of Freepers agree with you. We are all conservatives and want a stronger US, but we will not agree on this issue even if we agree on everything else.
This has nothing to do with the trade deficit, except in one very important respect: Foreign governments and investors who end up with a surplus of U.S. dollars are financing this massive national debt. This means two things: (1) they obviously have some confidence in the U.S. that some folks here don't seem to have, and (2) they have a vested interest in seeing the U.S. succeed.
Free trade benefited us after WW2 because WE were the ones making everything!!!!
I dont care what some deluded flag waiver who believes American workers can do it better than anyone in the world says, the simple fact is American worker CANT compete against slave labor in other countries. That's just a fact.
I sort of agree, with one big exception:
My big problem is, ALL of our politicians at the moment, seem to agree with you.
I don’t see anyone, anywhere on the political scene, saying Americans need to support American workers once again.
Not one person. Anywhere.
We have a $342 billion trade deficit with China because the playing field isn’t level and because we have scumbag politicians that are selling us out to the highest bidders. We shouldn’t be trying to make the playing field level by lowering our standard of living to that of the ChiCom slave. We really shouldn’t elect politicians that accept “donations” from foreign governments and corporations in exchange for influence over our policies. oh, and we definitely shouldn’t trust Obama with fast track authority over one of the largest trade agreements in the world. Pretty sure we shouldn’t trust him period.
Yep.
I find it interesting that the ‘free trade’ parrots seem awfully silent on this one.
The handmaidens of free trade tend to be academics who wear the ring of tenure. Followed, by different orders of elites who's finincanical and interest benefit by such decisions.
You need to factor into the equation that American manufacturing is being moved overseas to take advantage of cheap labor, and illiterate hordes are being move in here to destroy what is left. How is that just due to the flow of natural forces? There is no natural law that requires that a country impoverish itself to accomplish a disastrous goal such as free trade, when it is not free trade, but economic suicide. Alexander Hamilton was a great proponent of protective tariffs for American manufacturing. Americans can never compete with the low wages in China, for example, (l out of 4 people on Earth is Chinese). Whatever kind of work you do, it can be accomplished much cheaper by someone overseas.
Interesting. Thanks.
Yes...what you said....if it has to be that secret there’s something wrong with it....
...Until your town’s factory is closed( a hightly profitable factory more than not) your children impoverished and have to move around looking for work and unemployment goes thru the roof.
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