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The Democrats Abandon Free Trade
Townhall.com ^ | May 14, 2015 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 05/14/2015 11:16:26 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Darren McCarty

How?


21 posted on 05/14/2015 11:44:09 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
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To: Fido969

...”selling American workers down the river”....

Oh Indeed!......the huge worldwide ‘placement’ of immigrants, refugees, illegals in Western Countries goes hand in glove with this Trade deal.

Did you read the article today where the British are clamoring loudly now about all these refugees, coming from third world countries taking jobs from the local population..and as much lowering the wages of the people?

This is and will continue now to grow here...and if this deal goes through after all the stage playing, then the US will surely see that same equation here.


22 posted on 05/14/2015 11:45:11 AM PDT by caww
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To: Mariner
The mercantilists of the world now circle like buzzards over a dying corpse that used to be a great nation.

We tried free trading with a protectionist world - it failed.

23 posted on 05/14/2015 11:45:12 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: bert

Decline of American manufacturing, especially in the rust belt.


24 posted on 05/14/2015 11:47:12 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (We need a conservative electable candidate in 2016)
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To: Darren McCarty

I support Free Exports-we have plenty of UN drops and IA’s to export. We can export “human capital” as described in the Common Core curriculum.


25 posted on 05/14/2015 11:47:14 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Mariner
You may disagree with the author, but you don't bring much to the table here in terms of facts and objective statements.

This item from the article really jumped out at me:

U.S. manufacturing output is nearly 50 percent higher today than in 1994, when NAFTA took effect. So why has employment shrunk? Because companies and workers have become more productive, allowing them to turn out more goods with less labor.

I'm not even sure if the numbers are correct, but they sure seem reasonable based on what I know and I've observed.

I don't know if "free trade" is good for America in the long run, but I do know that many of the arguments on one side or another are irrelevant. I've long said that the number of American manufacturing jobs lost to foreign competition over the last few decades is tiny compared to what has been lost to automation and improved efficiency. I don't know what the answer to this dilemma may be, but in the long run I don't think we're going to have much control over our future here in the U.S. anyway.

26 posted on 05/14/2015 11:47:41 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ( Invade."It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: DoughtyOne
I guess nobody is employed in China making things for sale in the U. S. then. Good to know.

Your jobs lost to here.

27 posted on 05/14/2015 11:48:54 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Kaslin
If we shun trade agreements with Pacific nations, the Chinese will be happy to step in.

They are doing just fine now;

The problem with trade is not with the rest of the world - just Asia.

28 posted on 05/14/2015 11:52:22 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Kaslin

True free trade wouldn’t involve these treaties and government actions. But, we’ve never been that free and never will be.


29 posted on 05/14/2015 11:54:37 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain/Ripper 2016)
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To: Darren McCarty
You might have a point, but the Rust Belt hasn't declined because of foreign competition. The Rust Belt has moved to "right to work" states in the South. And at the same time, auto manufacturing even right here in the U.S. is being dominated by foreign companies.

The latest company to announce a new plant in the U.S. is Volvo. They're looking to build a $500 million facility in South Carolina. This story has played out at least 15-20 times over the last couple of decades ... always involving foreign companies, and always in the South.

30 posted on 05/14/2015 11:54:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ( Invade."It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Kaslin

skittles and unicorns will be flying out of my butt with expanded free trade!

what a shill


31 posted on 05/14/2015 12:15:27 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: knarf

See you one an raise you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnnqMRW5iKM


32 posted on 05/14/2015 12:26:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: Last Dakotan

That’s one of thousands of place I’ll bet.


33 posted on 05/14/2015 12:28:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: Kaslin
These deals aren't free trade.

If you want free trade just remove tariff's and restrictions against the other nation.

These are managed trade deals, that is why they have to be kept secret.

34 posted on 05/14/2015 1:16:32 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: FredZarguna
If the deal is so good, why is it secret?

Part of the reason appears to be that the big hollywood and media crony capitalists are pushing hard to use it as a vehicle to further destroy copyright elsewhere around the globe. I was perusing the Project Gutenberg site today and found This link about some apparent copyright implications.

One thing they want is to extend copyright terms in countries like Australia. If you go to Project Gutenberg Australia you'll find that you can download copies of many of George Orwell's books for free. The supporters of perpetual copyright want to do away with that.

 

35 posted on 05/14/2015 2:10:39 PM PDT by zeugma (Are there more nearby spiders than the sun is big?)
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To: DoughtyOne

almost a repeat ... and not current ... but just as good ... thanx.


36 posted on 05/14/2015 2:14:16 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

One value of that older video, is that he hasn’t changed his mind over time.


37 posted on 05/14/2015 8:47:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: DoughtyOne

Right ... but I’m afraid Trump is like Gingrich .... Good men that won’t see the presidency


38 posted on 05/15/2015 2:42:58 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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