Disobey!

Townhall.com ^ | May 13, 2015 | John Stossel

[Mrs. Don-o]

I see #18 was deleted by the Admin Mod.

Good.

[RKBA Democrat]

I think a large part of it is knowing the rules and using them to your benefit. Why every conservative doesn’t own a small business on the side is something I just can’t fathom.

[Jacquerie]

The Framers fought against a government in which they weren’t represented.

The American people are thoroughly represented up and down and sideways across DC in congress and the presidency.

So it is presumably against ourselves that we would have to sacrifice in the name of liberty. It doesn’t make sense.

[dware]

The American people are thoroughly represented up and down and sideways across DC in congress and the presidency.

Can you honestly tell me that YOU are "thoroughly represented" in Congress and the WH?

[zeestephen]

Re: “The Framers fought against a government in which they weren’t represented.”

I believe modern day Conservatives are also fighting against a government in which we are not represented.

After the Newt Gingrich insurrection collapsed in 1996, the Republican Party has routinely betrayed Conservatives on every issue I care about.

[nathanbedford]

You raise a very good point with which I agree, major changes are invariably accommodated because of massive social movements and even generalized disobedience.

I suppose conservatives ought to countenance generalized disobedience to law only when the system simply is not open to change in the normal course and according to the Constitution. This is easier said than identified in practice. Many would argue, and find me supporting them, that the present situation of one party elitist governing through massive enabling legislation of unelected bureaucrats has crossed that line.

But we must be wary of selective definitions, for example, I opposed the occupy movement as much for its ends as for its means.

Although I had not thought of it in precisely in the terms which you point out, I have frequently argued on these threads that we are unlikely to see a successful Article V movement without some sort of "black Swan" event which alters conventional thinking and bestirs the great American public to enact actual reform. So I guess we should pursue Article V reform even though success is unlikely until history comes to vindicate us. This is, after all, the way the left has operated for decades and they have succeeded brilliantly in getting their way.

[2ndDivisionVet]

“Silent Running”

Take the children and yourself
And hide out in the cellar
By now the fighting will be close at hand
Don’t believe the church and state
And everything they tell you
Believe in me, I’m with the high command

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

There’s a gun and ammunition
Just inside the doorway
Use it only in emergency
Better you should pray to God
The Father and the Spirit
Will guide you and protect from up here

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

Swear allegiance to the flag
Whatever flag they offer
Never hint at what you really feel
Teach the children quietly
For some day sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

Can you hear me running (can you hear me calling you?)
(Can you hear me) hear me calling you?
(Can you hear me running) hear me running babe?
(Can you hear me running) hear me running?
Calling you, calling you

[RKBA Democrat]

“The American people are thoroughly represented up and down and sideways across DC in congress and the presidency.”

And therein lies the brilliance of using representative democracy as a tool. How can you oppose such luminaries as we have? Afterall, the majority elected them!

So we spend countless hours and billions of dollars focusing on means and procedures, while generally ignoring the ends produced. The “solution” is always a new set of personalities, a tweak here, a procedural change there.

[21twelve]

Yeah. He almost lost me there - but not quite. I thought “He could have used plenty of other examples of the lawlessness of the police, but....”

[Jacquerie]

<>while generally ignoring the ends produced.<>

Quite right. Most think the answer involves more elections. Phooey.