Posted on 05/08/2015 2:37:51 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
According to my friend, Max, Farage is back at the helm of UKIP. True?
I don’t care where you ‘think’ it comes from: the FACT is that it comes from James Lind, and Americans started using the nickname in the 1700’s. Frankly, I have never read that it comes from Limehouse. Its well known that it comes from Lind giving British sailors lime juice. Hence ‘limeys’.
Limey may now refer to English people, but it comes ironically from the actions of a Scotsman. As Americans then and now usually mix up English and Briton, Lind’s being Scottish was probably ignored by Americans of the time, who just called every Brit English and therefore a Limey. BTW, sidenote, I have been called a Limey on FR many times, even if everyone here knows I am Scottish.
BTW, unlike your great granddad, I am a historian. Irrespective of the fact we are aguing, I can tell you with my history hat on that I am correct on this. Not because I am right, its just the facts.
Interesting first part of the post, then you ruin it with romantic asides to the IRA (btw, the Famine killed many Protestants who also fled Ireland, but only the Catholic dead and fleeing ever get a mention) and you degrade yourself as a smart man by posting the ‘we saved you’ WW2 nonsense.
Come on, you are way better than that.
‘The populace of Ireland and Great Britain should get over the fact that many of us are proud of our ancestry,’
As I said, we love it. God knows, it makes us loads of money!, LOL. But you are ‘irish’ or ‘scots’, not Irish or Scots, understand?. Your ancestry is of these and other great countries, but your birth, upbringing and above all your life and culture is American. Be proud of that ancestry but don’t confuse it with the country and culture you grew up in.
To another people, be it Scots, Irish, Welsh or Uzbekistani, it CAN come across as romantic nonsense and even a bit patronising that American people waltz in and declare themselves as a nationality, in the sense of being as ‘.....’ as the people who actually ARE that nationality who are born and bred in that country. Who grew up in that nation’s culture. And that’s the crux: its growing up in a culture/life that makes you Scottish, American, Irish, French etc.
Which brings us to your Muslim question: and I would say yes. Because despite the lack of an Irish background, that Muslim will grow up in Ireland, in an Irish town/city, in the Irish culture. They will be Irish-Muslim.
The Southie person is NOT Irish in the true sense, they are by definition (3 times) removed, they are not Irish, they are Irish-American. They are American first and foremost.
Irish is their ancestry, not their nationality.
If I take out US citizenship, I am American in name, but not truly an American in the true sense, I did NOT grow up there, I was not raised in its culture, educated there, take part in its institutions. Nor does my Norman and Flemish 11/12th C ancestry on my dad’s side make me remotely French or Belgian.
LOOK, overall the issue isn’t that serious, my first post on it showed that complete with LOL. Its just an irritating habit, nothing more. Nobody dies.
You continue to do it, we’ll all just continue to mutter obscenities under our breath in the accents you cant understand anyway, LOL.
As someone with the usual British affection for Aussies, who has many Aussie relatives (40m from Sydney and in Perth), and who was lucky to visit in 2001, hardly.
I mentioned Aussies because they were the only others whom I can personally remember meeting who did the I’m Scots/’Im Irish thing. Strangely the Kiwis and Canucks don’t do it.
Listen, I am not and have never told you to do anything, so give the nasty Limey ragging on poor ol’ American schtick a rest. ALL I am telling you and warning you is that many British and Irish don’t like it. At best, roll eyes, at worst, some might get defensive and even sharp with you and Americans who do it. And that you and other Americans might not do it, as a mark of respect in someone else’s country and culture.
Yes, the 2017 referendum has re-charged his batteries. He will take some time off, to fully recover from the plane crash and simply to charge those batteries.
Um, you brought up the limey bit, I didn’t. It’s not a word in my vocabulary. I don’t care what the brits and irish think of American terminology - particularly the Irish. I am referring to what we say here not what we may say abroad. Then I believe in doing in Rome what the Romans do. Sadly, I do think you’ve become a pompous misanthrope after all these years. You could be posting about British culture, movies, etc. but instead you troll these boards for anyone who upsets your notion of what GB is. It’s asinine at this point.
How would you know my great-grandfather was not an historian? I really don’t give a damn where “limey” originated from. It is an old-fashioned word to me, one I only heard from my Irish relatives. It’s certainly fallen out of fashion in most of America. When we want to be rude we call you either brits or “that guy who just ran out on the bar bill!”
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