Posted on 05/07/2015 7:29:41 AM PDT by BerniesFriend
He was under investigation before the White House trip was even on the schedule, before we even knew which team would be going.
I’m sure the NFL said something. But past sins are past sins, all that went down in college, and he got cut from the team. If he keeps his nose clean everything will be fine, if he doesn’t it’ll be ugly for him.
I think Brady will be suspended. I don’t think he deserves it, but the Pats have skated the outside of the line too many times. If the league doesn’t punish them it’ll look like they’re playing favorites. Expect 2 - 4 games for Tom, a sizable fine for the team, and probably 1 mid-round draft pick docked. And Tom’s lawyer doesn’t matter, the personal conduct policy forbids any behavior that reflects poorly on the league, the fact that this report even happened puts him in violation.
No. It’s like saying he didn’t gain much, if anything, by any of the balls being underinflated.
REALLY??? That's your defense? The officials didn't tip off the cheaters and so it must have been a sting? What happens in a sting? Usually, it means the person breaking the law is allowed to break the law so they can be caught. It means YOU STILL BROKE THE RULES.
Secondly, Mr. Yee claims Mr. Wells' firm works for the NFL and receives payments form the NFL to do investigations so, therefore, they're biased. Again, THAT'S a defense? I guess that means the Justice Department shouldn't be believed on any charges against this administration because they receive government money to conduct investigations.
Third, he claims Tom Terrific patiently answered questions for an entire day (which means, he denied, denied, denied because in his press conference he claimed he knew nothing about it so how can he admit he was aware of it?). But Tom refused to have text messages and emails sent to the investigators so he was covering up.
The Patriots need to lose a draft choice, have Brady suspended without pay and the team fined a large amount, not so much for the cheating but for the denials and cover up.
Beginning in 2007, after teams were allowed to prepare their own game balls, NE Patriots fumbles went way down and stayed down from a long baseline. Also since that time, their bad-weather performance has been the best in the league.
Read the report. Text messages to the gofers about their “needles”? Come on.
They cheated, and have been cheating for a long time. I have no idea of the importance of this, I played right guard in 7th grade and almost got killed.
But the report makes it pretty clear what happened, and why.
Really, you are above that kind of petty crap AppyPappy - don’t bring in some ridiculous statement to this. He’s a professional - he knew what that ball felt like. Your comment to me was childish
Thanks - it only makes sense that when you have ONE single instrument for your profession, you know what it feels like, does in certain conditions, and what is legal. He may not have asked for it, but he knew
Good question - and the Colts played terribly - it may not have had any effect on the game whatsoever - but it still was illegal and unethical.
So you don’t think rules are important?
I am not. A truthful denial would be best not a lawyerly walk around the question.
Or maybe we could just play football with one freekin ball-—both teams-—the whole game like we used to. Ask lawyer Butkus how much he cares about how much air is in a ball? I used to wet one sock down with vaseline just so I had something to slime the ball with if I got close to it. Getting the game ball used to mean something. Now it’s like a good guy award. The game has gotten so puzzyfied that one has to play with a rule book stuck in his face bar. A QB shouldn’t be allowed to hold a ball long enough to figger out how much air it has-—3 seconds tops-—then the boom comes down. If I use one second to dump a fatass offensive lineman on his butt, then the QB, or the other guy with the ball, has two more seconds to live during that play. Cut the cheap krap and play ball.
There is also the following twist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflategate#Allegation_of_tampering_by_the_Colts
...but it still was illegal and unethical.
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That’s still nothing but an allegation. The NFL allegation is weak. It would never hold up if it was taken to court.
Many of them are, some of them aren't, or shouldn't be, or shouldn't exist.
Instead of "rules," think about unnecessary laws, many of which you violate every day. It's a silly comparison, until you are called into account for them. Then you might think about whether you knowingly broke the law and deserve punishment, or whether the rules themselves were either senseless or outright wrong. This case is open... in the sense that I don't know if soft balls are like a baseball spitter, or just a stupid rule put on the books because somebody thought something needed to be there.
Go Pats! Brady for Mass. Governor! LOL, /S
OK.
Please outline how you know, not think but know, that Brady was manipulating the balls.
As a lifelong debater, advocate, etc.., I recognize the art of the cheap shot--and the above is most certainly a cheap shot. The writer is basically displaying a passionate desire to smear someone, so he compounds two meaningless suggestions, which in no way strengthen each other, but appear to strengthen each other, to the inexperienced advocate.
"More probable than not," remains too vague to nail anything. "At least generally aware of ... inappropriate activities," does not strengthen the previous suggestion, it further weakens it; much as a 40% (.4) chance of something multiplied by a 51% (.51) chance of something, reduces the chance to (.4X.51) an only a shade over a 1 in 5 chance that Brady was culpable.
I agree, whole-heartedly, that this whole hunt for dirt, serves no worthwhile purpose in relation to the sport.
First a disclaimer, I have been a Patriots fan for 50+ years. I have been following this story very closely befoe and after the Well report was released.
A couple of items for you to consider:
1) Carnegie Mellon Mechanical Engineers did tests showing the (now) reported PSI levels can be explained entirely by natural causes.
2) Wells hired a firm (Exponent) to do the science on the Footballs. The firm is a hired gun for various industries to defend the client from lawsuits. They get paid very handsomely for their work. Some examples of their work, Defending the Tobacco companies proving that Second Hand smoke can’t cause cancer, Defending Car companies (Toyota and GM for example) from suits concerning manufacturing defects in their product, they even were involved in the Exxon Valdez matter maintaining that a Double Hull wouldn’t have helped.
Noting wrong with being a hired gun, but understand they are paid to produce the result the client desires. As was Wells whose firm makes a lot of money off the NFL.
There were NO Recorded PSI readings for ANY OF THE FOOTBALLS USED pregame, NONE. (OLD) Walt Anderson ‘remebered’ all the reading and gave them to Wells and was assumed to be 100% accurate.
WOW. Imagine you were doing an experiment for Physic calss on the ideal gas law and did’t record the starting pressures involved then based a finding off the measurements performed at the end of the experiment.
What grade would the teacher give YOU??????????? An F is what I would expect.
One of the ball attendants (McNalley) the guy who grabbed the balls and took a pee was a guy who only worked on gamedays, Wells got in a tizzy that Brady claimed he didn’t know the guy. Brady never texted the guy either before or after the game, Do you think Manning or Romo know the name of every game day employee of the team?
Brady did get unset with the full time equipment mgr (John Jastremski) when he felt the balls he used in the Jets game were too hard, after the game (next day) they were measured at 16 PSI was out of spec (2.5 psi too high) when told of this Brady grabbed the rule book and told them to get the ball to 12.5 a spec’ed in the rule book, if Brady had guys tampering with the balls after they were approved by the refs why didn’t he have it done when he hated the balls the refs inflated?
FOr fans in high dungeon over Brady what about comments from Aaron Rogers who said on a live broadcast last fall that he would submit over inflated balls (16psi is his preference) to seek if they would get by the refs, which he then used in the game.
I will point out that Both Goodell and Kensil were both long time Jets employees, the relationship between the two franchises is not very good.
This article links to other articles that points out holes and biases in the Wells report.
Last I will point out that after the balls were inflated to 12.5 PSI Brady went 12-14 in the 2nd half against the Colts and with the balls that were controlled by the NFL during the SB he went 37-50, and shredded the Seahawks D, so apparently he was fine with balls correctly inflated and did’t like the balls that were inflated over the league spec.
Oh Yeah why hasn’t A Rogers been sanctioned for ‘cheating’ (inflating balls to 16 psi) or the Vikings and Panther who were caught putting balls in front of heaters during the game??????
Pretty selective outrage on the part of the MSM.
Well, if the NFL is breaking laws they wrote perhaps they should change their laws/rules. They currently have a rule about the PSI in the game ball - sounds pretty simple - everyone is supposed to have the same psi ball so if someone breaks that rule, to their own advantage, it is wrong. If it isn’t important, they have the right to change their own rules.
Should I use your methods and ask how you KNOW obam is a lying sob, or how you KNOW the Clintons are crooks? When it is pretty obvious to even the most casual observer, there is reason to suspect. And since Brady is the pretty boy of the NFL, who everyone seems to adore, it seems highly unlikely the NFL would point to him if there wasn’t a reason.
“They have the right to change their rules.”
And one would hope they would review them and act accordingly.
Remember, about half the QBs interviewed said it was a huge deal, while almost half said it wasn’t a big deal at all. What do I know? I watch football, I don’t play in the NFL.
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