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Major secret meeting of Holocaust deniers convenes in heart of London
Daily Mail UK via Jpost.com ^ | 4/19/15 | Daily Mail UK

Posted on 04/19/2015 8:46:28 AM PDT by Nachum

A large international conference of Holocaust deniers recently took place in the heart of London, Britain's Daily Mail reported on Saturday.

"This is the biggest and most significant meeting of Holocaust deniers that Britain has ever seen. It is a very worrying development," the paper quoted Gerry Gable, an expert on the extreme Right who aided the news outlet's undercover investigation of the event, as saying.

The event was held under a veil of secrecy at London's Grosvenor Hotel in a room draped with the Union Flag.

A spokesman for the hotel said the room booking was made online and hotel staff were unaware of the nature of the meeting, according to the Daily Mail.

Nazi Pedro Varela, 57, was described by the paper as the star speaker of the event. According to the report, Varela was arrested in Austria in 1992 for praising Hitler, and on the dictator's centenary he declared to a supportive crowd in Madrid that, "There were never any gas chambers in Auschwitz."

"National Socialism offered a lot of solutions that were beneficial then and could be beneficial to modern-day society," the Mail quoted him as saying at the conference.

The paper also quoted him as referring to mixed-race children as "blackos" and describing gay parents as "making a monster family."

(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...


TOPICS: Germany; Israel; Russia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 05072015; 2015election; auschwitz; austria; deniers; election2015; europeanunion; holocaust; israel; london; madrid; nato; pedrovarela; scotlandyet; spain; theholocaust; unitedkingdom; waronterror
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To: Nachum

Is there not a holocaust in the Muslim world right now? Is anyone covering the meetings of the deniers of the current holocaust?


21 posted on 04/19/2015 10:36:02 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: MarkL
Really, the information is out there on all of these crimes. One of the books I'd recommend that's captured a huge number of atrocities is Matthew White's. It's title:

The Great Big Book of Horrible Things: The Definitive Chronicle of History’s 100 Worst Atrocities

22 posted on 04/19/2015 11:20:16 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Nachum

You are writing about it so its not a secret meeting.......


23 posted on 04/19/2015 11:32:28 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I don’t feel put upon, I’m just saying the idea that you should believe something because it’s a sensitive issue hurts intelligent discourse.
I remember several years ago some Nazi group wanted to talk at brandeis. the argument a rabbi used against it was, denying the holocaust is not a legitimate argument, therefore they can’t come.
ok, so then I say the argument that vince foster killed himself is not legitimate, so I want to see bill Clinton in jail.
if that’s how we want to do things.


24 posted on 04/19/2015 11:58:07 AM PDT by willywill
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To: Nachum

Was George Soros there?
He was on 60 minutes and admitted to turning in over 100 Jewish people to the Nazi’s to be killed just so he could sell their belongings.

He currently is an owner of a president named obama.


25 posted on 04/19/2015 12:06:40 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: willywill

LOL. Yeah, I ask my students, “When you see a bumper sticker that says ‘Question Authority,’ why should you go along with it it?”


26 posted on 04/19/2015 12:16:25 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: exDemMom

This is absolutely preplanned...false dichotomy between brown shirts and red shirts.


27 posted on 04/19/2015 12:19:00 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: faithhopecharity

mostly I agree. but from what I have read over the years, there are two camps of deniers. one would fall into your category of being bigoted, which is they believe photos have been doctored and it never happened at all. which, if you believe that, then nothing is believable that we don’t witness with our own eyes.
the other camp questions the mathematics of killing 6 million in the 5 or so years of ww2. what I don’t like, is, just as an example, say you called into a mainstream talk show and wanted to give that math argument. first you would get hung up on, then the host would do an on air tirade of how stupid and bigoted you were just for raising the issue.


28 posted on 04/19/2015 12:52:16 PM PDT by willywill
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To: willywill

1. The Nazi’s own record-keeping accounted for nearly 6 million murders so that’s right from the Horsie’s Mouth.
2. It was a massive, very well-organized murder machine... with tens of thousands of full-time dedicated armed agents tasked with the duty of rounding up those Jews who were not already turned in by neighbors, etc.
3. Much of the Germans’ railroad equipment and network was dedicated to transporting the Jews and others to the death camps in the last year or two of the war, when Germany was losing the major battles and needed to replenish both manpower and armnaments at the front lines. Instead, the trains were re-assigned to the murder of the Jews... and Hitler left his soldiers (especially on the eastern front, but also the west) under-provisioned
(priorties!)
5. There are complete records by names and numbers in the archives... compliled by the Germans themselves... and independent accounting for all known victims in other places (checking family records, local community records, governmental records in occupied countries, etc.). All these indicate quite clearly at LEAST 5+ million Jews were slaughtered by the Nazis, quite probably more since such records cannot be completely compiled (some families were totally murdered so there were no survivors to report deaths of kin, some local and governmental records were destroyed in the war by either Germans or Russians or others, in battle and fires and etc.) There’s still nearly 6 million verified deaths despite the many holes in the rest of the records.
6. even those that have questioned just how many innocent people were slaughtered killed tortured or starved in the murder factories... always acknowledge at least several million people were so murdered.
so...a Queen Hillary tells us, “what the hell difference does it make now, anyway?
whether the actual total of all the murders was 5, 6, 7, 8 or 10 million?

If I were running a radio show and someone called up to quibble whether the actual number was 4 or 6 or 8 million, I would hang up on him too. The point is, millions of innocent civilians were systematically rounded up and tortured and starved and murdered ... in large slaughter plants ...like cattle , only worse given the slave labor and torture and all.
Plus in addition to all the records there are videos made at the time (not doctored up in a Hollywood studio like perhaps moon landings, just kidding, ha!)
and
tons of sworn witness statements by US military, Russian military, even UK military, survivors, neighbors, priests and pastors.

Better to find something else to call those radio shows about.

Like, perhaps, if I may be so bold to suggest, preventing the next mass world war (the one Obama’s building up his IslamoNazi friends to launch....keeping in mind that USA remains their Number One “Great Satan” target...this would be a useful thing to call those radio shows about. It is something we can...maybe...possibly...still do something about.
ALl the best,
fhc


29 posted on 04/19/2015 1:12:23 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (Another brilliantl- intelligent comment sent thru an amazingly-stupid spell checker)
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To: willywill

The evidence for the Holocaust, the documents, the eye witnesses, and the films produced by US liberators, all are compelling to a fair minded and even skeptical mind. Some of the historic camps still exist to bear witness to the crimes. The general disgust with people who trivialize it by claiming that it’s unfair that we cannot debate if it happened or if it didn’t is really pretty understandable. Should we debate if slavery in the USA really happened? How about debating if the Japanese really did attack the USA at Pearl Harbor? To me, your comment about the fact that a Nazi group was not allowed to speak at Brandeis University because they deny the Holocaust seems just weird. Do you think you can have “intelligent discourse” with Holocaust deniers? Would you engage in an “intelligent discourse” with a gravity denier?


30 posted on 04/19/2015 1:57:39 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Nachum
The paper reported that Varela appeared to call for a boycott of Jewish shops and businesses, saying: "In the Middle Ages, the Jews had all the gold in the world but they were living in the ghettos

That's funny. he doesn't look Jewish

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/king-mansa-musa-named-richest-history-article-1.1186261

31 posted on 04/19/2015 11:17:07 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Television: Teacher, Mother, Secret Lover)
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To: exDemMom

“Also: it irritates me no end to see Nazism described as “far-right.” Socialism has never been an ideology of the right.”

That was what the real secret is and always has been.


32 posted on 04/20/2015 10:34:25 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: spintreebob

Not yet. They’re just getting started, though Muslims tend towards erratic mob violence, rather than efficient mechanized slaughter, so it’s hard to notice at first. But measuring against the time table of the pan-Germans’ collective genocide, they’re after Kristalnacht and before the Wansee Conference, though as before, Western indifference to the slaughter of Eastern Christians and the Yazidi is speeding up the date of that conference.


33 posted on 04/20/2015 10:43:05 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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