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Citi Economist Says It Might Be Time to Abolish Cash [Zech 5]
YaLibnan ^ | 4/17/2015 | Staff

Posted on 04/17/2015 2:48:36 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

The world's central banks have a problem. When economic conditions worsen, they react by reducing interest rates in order to stimulate the economy. But, as has happened across the world in recent years, there comes a point where those central banks run out of room to cut — they can bring interest rates to zero, but reducing them further below that is fraught with problems, the biggest of which is cash in the economy.

In a new piece, Citi's Willem Buiter looks at this problem, which is known as the effective lower bound (ELB) on nominal interest rates. Fundamentally, the ELB problem comes down to cash. According to Buiter, the ELB only exists at all due to the existence of cash, which is a bearer instrument that pays zero nominal rates. Why have your money on deposit at a negative rate that reduces your wealth when you can have it in cash and suffer no reduction?

Cash therefore gives people an easy and effective way of avoiding negative nominal rates. Buiter's note suggests three ways to address this problem:

1. Abolish currency.

2. Tax currency.

3. Remove the fixed exchange rate between currency and central bank reserves/deposits.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banks; beast; currency; mark
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Zech 5:5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth , and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth . 6 And I said , What is it? And he said , This is an ephah that goeth forth . He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. 7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. 8 And he said , This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. 9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked , and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. 10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? 11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established , and set there upon her own base.

The apocalyptic book of Zechariah in the Bible foretells of a last days world wide currency, or medium of exchange, that we be established in Babylon. The currency will not be gold or silver based, but rather lead based which may mean that it is not based on any limited material, making it worthless.

In the last apocalyptic book of the Bible, Revelation, it goes on to say that individuals around the world will not be able to buy or sell without receiving special mark to distinguish friend from foe, follower from infidel, proponent from opponent. The mark will be the same for all, so it will not be a unique number for individuals ruling out credit card numbers or bank numbers.

It seems to be a mark of citizenship, or fidelity of the members of this new world wide movement. The only problem is that whoever receives this mark, rejects Jesus Christ. Whoever goes along and receives this mark will spend eternity in hell.

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak , and cause that as many as would * not worship the image of the beast should be killed * . 16 And he causeth all, both small and great *, rich and poor *, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand *, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell , save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken , and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

1 posted on 04/17/2015 2:48:36 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
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To: Jan_Sobieski

NO

WAY.


2 posted on 04/17/2015 2:50:52 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (The White House is now known as "Casa Blanca".)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

By the way —

Asking people to provide an ID when they vote? Racist! Some people don’t carry little pieces of plastic which identify their place in society!!!!

Getting rid of cash? Oh, no problem. I gots my card from the gubmint for all the stuff I needs.


3 posted on 04/17/2015 2:51:28 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Victim" -- some people eagerly take on the label because of the many advantages that come with it.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

yeah that pretty sums up my thoughts on the matter.


4 posted on 04/17/2015 2:53:40 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

And yet people can’t understand when I tell them the Federal Reserve and its unlimited printing of unbacked currency and debt creation is the foundation of Progressive government.

Conservatives will continue to lose every economic and yes, also social, battle they fight while the present financial system exists.


5 posted on 04/17/2015 2:54:46 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Precious metals: gold, silver, lead, copper, steel, etc.


6 posted on 04/17/2015 2:57:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Abolish cash? Sure. Gold coins only.


7 posted on 04/17/2015 3:00:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: PGR88
As you indicate, the social struggle is the economic struggle, and the economic struggle is the social struggle.

People who claim to be economic Conservatives and social Liberals do not understand this.

If you add a small amount of water to a large amount of sewage -- you have sewage.
If you add a small amount of sewage to a large amount of water -- you have sewage.

Social Liberals kill the economics. Progressive government, with loads of magically funded charity for all, because everyone should live life as they wish -- this is what kills economies.

8 posted on 04/17/2015 3:01:36 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Victim" -- some people eagerly take on the label because of the many advantages that come with it.)
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And yet people can’t understand when I tell them the Federal Reserve and its unlimited printing of unbacked currency and debt creation is the foundation of Progressive government.

Not at all. I fully believe that. It pays for Democrat vote farming efforts and it also pays for Crony Capitalism kickbacks, not to mention supporting a massive army of Liberal government Employees and Academicians and such.

Our current libertine party is being paid for by unfunded debt. This is why our currency is going into the toilet.

The question is, what to do about it?

Conservatives will continue to lose every economic and yes, also social, battle they fight while the present financial system exists.

Or as that punchline goes:

Wife: "The doctor says you are gonna die!"

9 posted on 04/17/2015 3:05:12 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Jan_Sobieski
So we'd be forced to use bank cards and they'd charge a fee for any money in the account (negative interest) and they'd charge a fee for all transactions. And if cash were illegal, we'd all have to play along. Everybody would be impoverished, with an assigned allowance to spend. Don't like it? Play in the rigged stock market.

It's all about herding about 99% of the world's population. And I'm not sure the "conservatives" would be on our side. Most of them are bought and paid for by the big banks.

10 posted on 04/17/2015 3:13:10 PM PDT by grania
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Makes it more difficult for the “banksters” to steal your money if it is not accessible by their computers.


11 posted on 04/17/2015 3:14:12 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Benghazi Clinton only changed her image but is the same corrupt 60s Alinsky radical hag underneath.)
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Not at all. I fully believe that. It pays for Democrat vote farming efforts and it also pays for Crony Capitalism kickbacks, not to mention supporting a massive army of Liberal government Employees and Academicians and such.

Yes. And after 2 or 3 generations of debt-ridden people waiting for the next Fed.gov handout, and subject to the social policy of Fed.gov funded educators and community organizers, what kind of electorate will you have?

12 posted on 04/17/2015 3:14:55 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

So panhandlers will now swipe your debit card onto their smartphone?


13 posted on 04/17/2015 3:18:47 PM PDT by Cry if I Wanna
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Or the gov to determine what you can buy.


14 posted on 04/17/2015 3:23:21 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (The White House is now known as "Casa Blanca".)
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To: grania
Exactly...look at the way that the Republicans are giving everything to the progressives. Not even a speed bump to slow down the death spiral. It reminds me of this verse...

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree * , and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
15 posted on 04/17/2015 3:28:43 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I think that the elitists would face a dilemma. One set of elitists wants all digitized transactions so that they can control the public and make people into slaves.

However, there is another sector of elitists that feed off of criminal activities. The drug trade is worth by some estimates to be worth just short of a half a trillion. Government agencies need drug dealers to stay in business, no mission, no margin. Many of the agents and whole sections are corrupt and they take their cut in cash. Then you have money laundering banks that take in cash. Ultimately, all this activity depends on the end user, and you can’t expect a heroin junkie to pull out a credit card to pay for his fix.

The elitists also need cash to keep the sex slave trade going.

What about bribery, big and small, you need cash for that. Election fraud, sweetheart deals, hush money, the uses are legion.

Local police departments also depend on cash- civil assets forfieture, a cut in prostitution and illegal gambling rings.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Evil control freaks vs corrupt greedy types.


16 posted on 04/17/2015 3:32:34 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats & GOPe delenda est. President zero gave us patient zero.)
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To: grumpygresh

Yep.


17 posted on 04/17/2015 3:42:44 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (The White House is now known as "Casa Blanca".)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
3. Remove the fixed exchange rate between currency and central bank reserves/deposits.

Oooo, that's a 2012 dollar bill. It's only worth 80 cents of modern money. You should have deposited it and you would have only lost 10 cents of value in the intervening time.

A while ago someone from the Fed wrote a paper about this topic - how to handle a low interest environment with deflation - and one of the solutions was money with expiration dates. This was before the internet was common so he sent me a paper copy when I asked about it. I can't imagine having thrown it out, but I just cannot find it any more.

18 posted on 04/17/2015 3:48:29 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Darth Obama on 529 plans: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Revelation 13 is definitely what I would have put into the title.

I am sure we’re on the same page though.


19 posted on 04/17/2015 3:48:37 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Abolish cash and watch the black market flourish like never before.

You can trade for almost anything.


20 posted on 04/17/2015 3:51:10 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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