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So how does the government then deal with such things as Military housing, social security, pensions, inheritance child custody, adoption and all other manner of marital issues if, in fact, the government does not recognize marriage and gets out of the business altogether?

Are you ready to allow homosexuals to get equal access to adoption of children? Are you willing to allow polygamous relationships to share in Social Security, pension and welfare benefits?

Are you ready to have family issues resolved in the street rather than in court?

Just what would marriage look like if you and Hi Tech were in charge of overhauling the current system?

So how does the government then deal with such things as Military housing, social security, pensions, inheritance child custody, adoption and all other manner of marital issues if, in fact, the government does not recognize marriage and gets out of the business altogether?

As I said, through civil unions.

Are you ready to allow homosexuals to get equal access to adoption of children? Are you willing to allow polygamous relationships to share in Social Security, pension and welfare benefits?

These are administrative issues and should be treated as such. In fact, they already are, if you hadn't noticed. But the legitimacy of marriage should not be a part in these considerations - the legitimacy of marriage is separate from government approval by definition. Fitness to provide for dependents is a separate issue. The only dependents that cannot be required for government permission would be natural children, for train of their very naturalness.

Are you ready to have family issues resolved in the street rather than in court?

What's that supposed to mean? What family issues are you talking about? I'm not suggesting there be no laws - I'm talking about what marriage already IS - a pledge between two people and God. Government is not party to that bond, period, by definition. The extent of the government involvement with a civil union under the jurisdiction of administrative law is a completely separate thing.

Just what would marriage look like if you and Hi Tech were in charge of overhauling the current system?

I can't speak for Hi Tech, but my way, marriage would be recognized for what it has ALWAYS REALLY BEEN: something HIGHER than the government can reach. Marriage is not a tax status - and its use as one is sordid and depraved.

I agree that we should be fair with Taliker and HiTech and let them explain what the US culture will look like after their ideas are implemented. I need to see it spelled out on paper to be able to give them a fair shot at evaluation.

Adoption, child credits, school education on families, etc. I want to see what this world will look like after the dust settles and their ideas are implemented.