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These were shameful surrenders. On the other hand, given the state of the national GOP, expecting any Republican politician to stand up for a pro-family principle under pressure is unrealistic.

And therein lies the real problem: the GOP's complete rejection of conservatism.

1 posted on 04/14/2015 6:04:22 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 04/14/2015 6:05:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

No testosterone.


3 posted on 04/14/2015 6:05:54 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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They butted heads with the almighy Dollar. No surprise who won that battle.


4 posted on 04/14/2015 6:10:51 AM PDT by Wolfie
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You already pulled the quote that I immediately grabbed.

Besides today's Republican leadership being squishy and wobbly, they attack the very base that they expected to have their backs on this?

-PJ

5 posted on 04/14/2015 6:10:51 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: wagglebee

Good analysis of the rout.

Only one side fights.


6 posted on 04/14/2015 6:20:10 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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One simple word: cowardice.


7 posted on 04/14/2015 6:32:36 AM PDT by IronJack
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Analysis: What went wrong in the ‘Religious Freedom’ fight in Indiana and Arkansas?

Gutless politicians who can be bullied by the Gaystapo and their supporters.


8 posted on 04/14/2015 6:40:25 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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What’s the plan? Anyone?

When I heard that Walmart had given the word to the Arkansas governor to get his mind right, I immediately saw that as Walmart making themselves an extremely inviting target for direct action.

By which I mean a total boycott and regular picketing.

What is wrong with this idea?

I know - don-o suggested it. don-o needs to organize it. But, why would not even one of the existing organizations consider real direct action?


9 posted on 04/14/2015 6:42:08 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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2. Refusal to fight passage of LGBT anti-discrimination laws and local ordinances, or demand their repeal.
10 posted on 04/14/2015 6:44:28 AM PDT by Petrosius
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The children of darkness are way more committed than the children of light.


11 posted on 04/14/2015 6:52:45 AM PDT by thirst4truth
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This is an excellent analysis, as always, by Brian.

His organization is worthy of our most generous support.


12 posted on 04/14/2015 7:08:15 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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Two scenarios:

1. A gay couple chooses a Christian provider for their wedding, then sues him when he refuses.

2. A gay couple chooses a Christian restaurant to buy a sandwich, then sues the restaurateur when he refuses.

I think, for a number of valid historical reasons, people in general support the Christian business owner in (1), but would support the gay couple in (2). The left-wing strategy was to conflate (1) and (2).

Was there anything that distinguished catering to a public display of homosexual activity, which the gay “wedding” is, and catering to a universal human need, such as eating sandwiches? I read the bill briefly and it does not seem to make the distinction.


13 posted on 04/14/2015 7:42:23 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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Over-focusing on “religious freedom” protections as the solution to this culture clash.

Under-focusing on the express wording of the first amendment, including both religious freedom and freedom to associate, is the error referred to here. When couched in terms of the whole amendment, the argument is much stronger and less prone to subversion by "feelings".

The lack of back bone in R politicians simply magnifies the outrageousness of the left's bull stuff.

14 posted on 04/14/2015 7:48:54 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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” And therein lies the real problem: the GOP’s complete rejection of conservatism. ”

You totally missed their point. We conservatives shy away from activism and never take to the streets (like the other side does) to lend crucial support to (as well as hold the feet to the fire of) the people we elect.

We elect people and tell them OK go fight the war for us, we’ll have your back on free republic.

So wherein lies the real problem? We all have a mirror - all we need to do is look at it.


15 posted on 04/14/2015 7:53:23 AM PDT by aquila48
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I might add an e to GOP, there is a difference. The GOPe has been absent in the culture war, and now we are up against the wall with moral absolutes hanging in the balance.

One point that has not been mentioned other than by Mithter Limbaugh, and that is his research indicating that much of the internet opposition ginned up by homosexual activists rests in the capable hands of ten that’s right, TEN people with computers who can generate a blizzard of fake opponent in every state in these United States.


17 posted on 04/14/2015 8:14:52 AM PDT by wita
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Frank Zappa was right, "I want my children to grow up in a country with the First Amendment." I think we can add or discuss that another problem here is that it can be traced to the Civil Rights movement and Acts of the 1950's and 1960's. Senator Barry Goldwater was right in opposing them the way they were codified and passed. The result is that if someone is wronged or perceived to be wronged for any reason, it is a violation of civil rights even though many times it is not or shouldn't be. Goldwater's concern was the acts would violate the First Amendment as well as others.

Myself, I don't have a problem of who marries who, it should not be the province of the Federal Government. The only way the Feds could be involved is by the Amendment process where marriage is defined via the Constitution as many other counties have done such as Serbia and Russia. Still, even so, the main issue is the people are forced to go against their conscience to do something against their will. As my father puts it, that's slavery because they are being forced to work against their will and for someone who they don't want to work for. It is a two way street, if people want to be respected for their types of lifestyles and I have no problem with that then in return, they need to respect others who view things differently. If a bakery will not do it for reasons of conscience, then just move on and find one who will. It is a two way street (or more). It's like that gay brochure showing gay friendly businesses, use that as a guide, it is the First Amendment and capitalism at work.

150 years ago, slavery ended with the Civil War, but it is coming back in many ways.
19 posted on 04/14/2015 9:24:47 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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Gutless Republicans are a very big part of pretty much every problem.


21 posted on 04/14/2015 9:39:51 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: wagglebee
The governor caved was the latest thing that "went wrong."


American Straight Talk about Religious Freedom and the Free Market

24 posted on 04/14/2015 9:44:34 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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I would be fired if I spoke up at work or on FB.


27 posted on 04/14/2015 6:01:18 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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“The Governors needed a public outcry from thousands of angry conservatives pointing out that “religious freedom” means having the right to decide what is immoral, unnatural, perverse, and destructive – and can be openly opposed.”

Pontius Pence folded faster than a plastic yard chair under a 500 lb man. It takes a bit longer to get an effective public outcry going than that.


28 posted on 04/14/2015 6:34:40 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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