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Wall Street Fees Wipe Out $2.5 Billion in New York City Pension Gains
NY Times ^ | 04-08-2015 | PATRICK McGEEHAN

Posted on 04/13/2015 12:02:34 PM PDT by NRx

The Lenape tribe got a better deal on the sale of Manhattan island than New York City’s pension funds have been getting from Wall Street, according to a new analysis by the city comptroller’s office.

The analysis concluded that, over the past 10 years, the five pension funds have paid more than $2 billion in fees to money managers and have received virtually nothing in return, Comptroller Scott M. Stringer said in an interview on Wednesday.

“We asked a simple question: Are we getting value for the fees we’re paying to Wall Street?” Mr. Stringer said. “The answer, based on this 10-year analysis, is no.”

(Excerpt) Read more at mobile.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: pensionfees; pensions
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Seriously? These people have never heard of index funds and or don't know why long term they almost always outperform actively managed portfolios? Either these people are dumber than a pile of rocks or they have their nose up Wall Street's @$$. My guess is the latter.
1 posted on 04/13/2015 12:02:34 PM PDT by NRx
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The analysis concluded that, over the past 10 years, the five pension funds have paid more than $2 billion in fees to money managers and have received virtually nothing in return...

I thought that was what "money managers" did...

2 posted on 04/13/2015 12:04:44 PM PDT by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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Kind of like what we get for the trillions of dollars we spend on “government”.


3 posted on 04/13/2015 12:11:47 PM PDT by Fido969
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2 billion for doing no work. These guys are better than a government job!


4 posted on 04/13/2015 12:13:15 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: NRx

Yes they have gotten something. The received substantial donations to Democrat candidates.


5 posted on 04/13/2015 12:14:51 PM PDT by ricmc2175
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Ding! Ding! Ding!...what a racket.


6 posted on 04/13/2015 12:17:00 PM PDT by gr8eman (Don't waste your energy trying to understand commies. Use it to defeat them!)
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To: NRx

They keep paying fees because they’re secret kickbacks. Or? Otherwise they could just invest in low cost funds like vanguard and many of fidelity s or American century’s. Follow the money and look for who leaves the state offices much much much richer than when they went in


7 posted on 04/13/2015 12:17:18 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (A brilliantly intelligent comment sent thru an amazingly stupid spell checker)
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To: NRx

I don’t believe this story is true. Given that it appears in the New York Times gives me additional reason to doubt it.


8 posted on 04/13/2015 12:21:48 PM PDT by SSS Two
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Either these people are dumber than a pile of rocks or they have their nose up Wall Street's @$$. My guess is the latter.

Or the New York Times is reporting flat out inaccurate "news". Did you consider that?

9 posted on 04/13/2015 12:23:14 PM PDT by SSS Two
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Obama’s been pee’ing on America’s leg telling them “the rain is warm today, isn’t it?” for almost 8 years now...

It’s getting a bit RIPE out there..
However; New Yorker’s LOVE the acrid stench and metallic trace of it..

Where “Stealing” is an art.. even good entertainment..
Where “break a leg” and “get a nose full” are idioms..


10 posted on 04/13/2015 12:23:27 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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Read between the lines...

This comes from Bill de Blasio..who HATES Wall Street, and who just refused to endorse Hillary, because she and Bill are too close to Wall Street

11 posted on 04/13/2015 12:24:31 PM PDT by ken5050 (If Hillary is elected president, what role will Huma Abedin have in the White House? Scary, eh?)
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What do you expect from criminals?


12 posted on 04/13/2015 12:28:19 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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In this case it’s unlikely. I know enough about how Wall Street hucksters operate that this has a very clear ring of truth to it.


13 posted on 04/13/2015 12:30:54 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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Building the case for the Theresa Ghilarducci proposal to nationalize all pension plans, as traders on Wall Street are too greedy and corrupt to be trusted with your retirement. If this is in the news then they are getting closer to pulling the trigger on it.


14 posted on 04/13/2015 12:31:38 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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“This comes from Bill de Blasio..who HATES Wall Street, and who just refused to endorse Hillary, because she and Bill are too close to Wall Street “

Further proof that even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


15 posted on 04/13/2015 12:32:15 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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I would love to see the Big Wall Street Firms start moving out of NYC.


16 posted on 04/13/2015 12:36:45 PM PDT by martinidon
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Maybe these pensions can find some nice mortgage based derivatives to invest in.


17 posted on 04/13/2015 1:08:19 PM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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Or some Greek bonds - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-03/chelsea-clintons-husband-suffers-massive-hedge-fund-loss-greek-investment


18 posted on 04/13/2015 1:43:56 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: martinidon

They are already leaving; many have sent jobs overseas, and the post-9/11 backup site requirements (which need to be a certain distance from NYC) supposedly caused many to simply move the jobs altogether. As I understand it, most of NJ is too close, so southeast PA is getting the jobs. A lot ofthe original Occupy Wall Street protesters were laid-off employees of the financial district.

Friends that work in the financial district decribe companies keeping small staffs in NYC and a PO box. When Christie was attacked for stopping construction of a third tunnel connecting NJ to NYC, his critics were reduced to complaining that people who wanted to see Broadway shows might be inconvenienced; it wasn’t even about the mass of commuters that used to fill lower Manhattan every day. Those same friends say there are a lot less people going into NYC each day...


19 posted on 04/13/2015 2:03:33 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: NRx

Any fund will have transaction costs, and even index funds need trades to keep them in line with indices.

We always use the net return (net of fees) when evaluating managers.


20 posted on 04/13/2015 2:05:45 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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