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To: Patton@Bastogne

“Any “knowlegable” WWII historian knows that, while Stalin was personally an evil SOB, he did lead (or order at the point of a bayonet) some ten million Russian soldiers to their death to defeat Hitler on the Eastern Front.”

The Soviets incurred something on the order of 9.5 million military dead on their Western front, 3 million POW deaths, and another 2 million military dead on their Far Eastern front, totaling about 14.5 million military deaths. In return they inflicted a small fraction of the Soviet casualties in German military dead, wounded, and captured. Depending upon the German and non-German sources used, the Russians inflicted somewhere between about 1.1 million to somewhere over 2 million military dead upon the Germans. With this rate of exchange the Soviet Union was basically committing suicide to little purpose, until the United States brought its forces against the Third Reich. Using a fraction of the military personnel and incurring less than 150,000 U.S. military deaths in the ETO, the United States and its Western allies inflicted more killed, wounded, and captured casualties than the Soviet Union did. Furthermore, the U.S. inflicted a major fraction of those casualties upon the German military in only about 2.5 years, whereas the Soviet Union required four years to reach its score of German casualties. Consequently, by reason of casualties and an extensive assortment of other measures, the Soviet Union and Russians tended to be highly ineffective at inflicting casualties with British and U.S. assistance to keep them in the fight. Without British and U.S. assistance, Moscow would have fallen in 1941 and Russia would have surrendered by the time the first U.S. 8th Air Force bomber squadrons began flying combat missions out of England. Yes, Russia sacrificed a terrible toll in lives, but their role contributed little that the Western allies proved capable of doing twice as fast with a tiny fraction of the casualties while inflicting a far greater toll of casualties and material losses upon the German military.


14 posted on 04/11/2015 7:53:27 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
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Good analysis, great facts.

"Thanks" ...


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18 posted on 04/11/2015 9:11:06 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: WhiskeyX
I agree. I began reading Zhukov's Greatest Defeat: The Red Army's Epic Disaster in Operation Mars, 1942 (Modern War Studies), but had to put it down after about 2/3 of the way. The carnage was horrific.

The Mars Campaign suffered almost an equal amount of losses as the entire allied effort in WWII.

From the first book review:

Amazingly, Zhukov continued to order frontal assaults for three weeks, even though the offensive was obviously failing to achieve its objectives in the first four days. Soviet losses in the three week offensive on this front totaled at least 100,000 killed, 235,00 wounded and about 1,800 tanks. German counterattacks cut off and eliminated three Soviet corps (one tank, one mechanized, and one rifle). After the Stalingrad operation succeeded and Operation Mars failed, Soviet historians erased all mention of Zhukov's attack and instead re-wrote history to make it appear that Stalingrad always was the main effort.
21 posted on 04/11/2015 10:02:25 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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