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To: celmak

The laws with regard to these issues, and indeed over pretty much all issues, are in the long run merely a reflection of people’s attitudes towards them.

Those attitudes for most people are formed only peripherally by politics and religion. They’re instead formed by mass culture, especially movies, TV and music. These fields have been dominated for at least 50 years by progressives.

Our political culture today is pretty much where our mass culture was 20 years ago. 20 years from now our political culture will be about where our mass culture is today, which is a pretty scary thought.

Tocqueville pointed out a long time ago that in America the general opinion is far and away the most powerful force. Most people go along. When the media is able, accurately or not, to portray a certain POV as “the norm,” it is immensely powerful. As people adapt to what they see as the “new normal,” it becomes the new normal.

The only solution, IMO, is to take back the culture. I just have no idea how to do that.


57 posted on 04/04/2015 2:04:58 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan; celmak
The only solution, IMO, is to take back the culture. I just have no idea how to do that.

For starters, we can stop funding it. Choose companies that don't support the homosexual agenda, if possible. There are plenty of alternatives in banking, auto service, and many other types of businesses.

If you don't need something and buying from an hrc.org partner is your only option, don't buy it.

Of course, the main weakness in this is that enough people have to join in, and that doesn't seem to be happening.

Oh, as someone else suggested to me, donate to tax deductible charities. That's less tax dollars for the current administration to fund homo-friendly programs with.

58 posted on 04/04/2015 3:13:44 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Sherman Logan
OK, let me try again. You asked, “ Haven’t conservatives and Christians figured out yet that dragging God or the Bible into the discussion promptly ends it, and not in our favor?” I can understand your statement why conservative Christians “dragging” (your word, not mine) God or the Bible into the discussion promptly ends it, though I disagree. But before I show you why I disagree, I would like to make sure I understand where you are coming from so that there is no misunderstanding. Maybe I did not ask my questions correctly, so I’ll try again

1 – Are you saying that conservatives Christians should or should not involve themselves politically in the morality of homosexuality (since homosexuality is the topic of this thread)? I’m a bit confused when you first state that we should not be involved in social issues but then say, “Politics is downstream of culture”.

I see that your statement, “ The only solution, IMO, is to take back the culture.” implies that conservatives should stay out of this issue politically; but it is not definitive; it does not say, “Conservatives should not involve themselves in social issues (such as homosexuality) as part of their political agenda.”

2 - Do you think that conservatives have only fought the homosexual issue by quoting the Bible? If no, then what has been a particular “loosing” argument about homosexuality (since this is the topic of this thread) that conservative Christians have presented? If you don’t have an answer to this, that’s OK. Just answer, “I can’t recall one”, I will not fault you for it. I think I have a reason why you would think that “dragging” God or the Bible into the discussion promptly ends it, and I will show you what it is after you answer these two simple questions definitively. I will then also let you know what I think conservative Christians should and should not do.

59 posted on 04/04/2015 4:41:45 PM PDT by celmak
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