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To: Diego1618
I am more persuaded that the date of Christ's crucifixion and death was AD 33, though I respect the arguments you have given here. I believe this makes Jesus a little older than we think of him, since he was likely born 2-3 BC. He might have been as old as thirty six! Luke said he was "about thirty"--

My reasons: Tiberius's fifteenth year of his reign was when John the Baptist's ministry started. That is AD 29? With your date of 30, Jesus's ministry would have only been one year long.

When the Sanhedrin went before Pilate, Passover was still to take place.

The only two times the Passover was on Friday was AD 30 and 33, so it must have been one of the two. Friday was the traditional day to prepare for the Sabbath, and the food was prepared on Good Friday for the Eucharist, forever.

I don't think these dates are of vital important to the Christian life, just a matter of interest and joy that there is so much evidence either way!

34 posted on 04/07/2015 6:57:28 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
I am more persuaded that the date of Christ's crucifixion and death was AD 33, though I respect the arguments you have given here. I believe this makes Jesus a little older than we think of him, since he was likely born 2-3 BC. He might have been as old as thirty six! Luke said he was "about thirty"--

My reasons: Tiberius's fifteenth year of his reign was when John the Baptist's ministry started. That is AD 29? With your date of 30, Jesus's ministry would have only been one year long.

This has always been a stumbling point with many historians and is easily explained:

During the first Passover of His ministry the Jews stated that this temple had been 46 years in the building [John 2:20]. The first Passover would have been 27 A.D.

[Josephus, Antiquities, 15;11;1] says: And now Herod in his eighteenth year of his reign (18 in Jerusalem/ 21 from his coronation in Rome) undertook a very great work....to build of himself the Temple of God. The 18th year of Herod's reign was 20 B.C./19 B.C. which was the first year of the building of the temple. This means the 46th year [John 2:20] would have been 27 A.D.

Yeshua celebrated three Passovers in scripture [John 2:13; 6:4; 13:1] so it assumed that He had a three and one half year ministry....being born during the fall festivals and crucified on Passover. The year according to my reckoning would be 30 A.D. and as you can see the crucifixion on Nisan 14 (Passover Preparation) Wednesday [Leviticus 23:5] would then allow the time prophesied [Matthew 12:40] for a Sabbath morning resurrection on Nisan 17.

The three days and three nights of [Matthew 12:40] does not refer to the time He spent in the tomb...........it refers to the time He would spend in the "Heart of the Earth".

The time of the year was during the fall festivals (Tabernacles) for a host of reasons we won't bother with now. King Herod is the key to the entire mystery and his period of reign is easily confirmed by secular history. Yeshua was born during the days of King Herod [Matthew 2:1] and we also know it was near the time of Herod's death [Matthew 2:13-15].

Herod went to Rome during the winter "And thus did this man receive the Kingdom, having obtained it on the 184th Olympiad when Caius Domitus Calvinius was consul the second time and Caius Asinius Pollio (the first time)" [Josephus, Antiquities 14;14;5]

Olympiads were four years and were figured from July to July. The 184th Olympiad was July 44 B.C. to July 40 B.C. and Calvinius and Pollio were consuls in the year 714 AUC, which would have been 40 B.C. (AUC means from the founding of Rome) [Hand book of Biblical Chronology].

The calendar years for consuls were reckoned from January to January and when you combine this data with the July to July length of the Olympiads you can then figure out exactly when this occurred....within 6 months margin of error. In addition we are told that Herod's reign in Jerusalem began when the rigor of winter was over....in his third year since he had been made King at Rome [Josephus, Antiquities, 14;15;14].

But Herod was unable to take the city of Jerusalem until the summer when Marcus Agrippa and Cannanius Gallus were consuls of Rome, on the 185th Olympiad....in the third month on the solemnity of the fast [Josephus, Antiquities, 14:16;2-4]. The 185th Olympiad was from July 40 B.C. to July 36 B.C. and Agrippa and Gallus were consuls in the year 717 AUC.....the year 37 B.C. The "Fast" of the third month would have been Sivan 23 and Herod completed the conquest of the city in the summer of 37 B.C.

When you put all these facts together this is what emerges: Herod crowned in Rome January/March 40 B.C. and began reigning in Jerusalem a little over three and 1/3rd years later (37 B.C.). Herod died having reigned since he had put Antigonus to death....34 years, but 37 years since he had been declared King by the Romans [Josephus, Antiquities, 17;8;1]. Josephus also tells us that Antigonus was killed shortly after Herod took Jerusalem; [Josephus, Antiquities 14;16;4]. Herod began his reign in 40 B.C., reigned 37 years....so including the first year of his reign he would have died in 4 B.C.

Yeshua was born in 5 B.C. and began His ministry (30 years of age) [Luke 3:23] during the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius [Luke 3:1]. This is confusing to some as they do not consider the fact that Tiberius co-reigned with Augustus for two years. The key to this dispute is the Battle of Actium which took place during the 187th Olympiad in the seventh year of the reign of King Herod [Josephus, Antiquities 15;5;1-2]. This Olympiad would have been from July 32 B.C. to July 28 B.C. and Herod's 7th year was 31 B.C. to 30 B.C.

Augustus ruled 44 years from the victory at Actium ....the last two....jointly with Tiberius. Thus, the co-rulership began in 12 A.D. and the 15th year of Tiberius would have been 26/27 A.D.

36 posted on 04/07/2015 2:28:35 PM PDT by Diego1618 (Put "Ron" on the Rock!)
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To: Mamzelle
When the Sanhedrin went before Pilate, Passover was still to take place.

There is much confusion on this point....mainly because the Jews began calling the Passover and the seven day Feast of Unleavened Bread.....Passover. Thus, most modern day Jews will call the entire eight day affair.....Passover. It's not! They started this silliness after the return from the Babylonian exile (520 B.C.)....so you will even see the confusion in the Gospel accounts.

Here is what the word of Yahweh says:

[Leviticus 23:5-8]. 5In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. 6And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Passover is the preparation day for the Feast (the 15th). After the Sanhedrin have handed your Savior over to Pilate....scripture still says it is the 14th (the preparation):

[John 19:13-14]13When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Yeshua was arrested in the garden, tried before the Sanhedrin, taken to Pilate, then to Herod, and back to Pilate to be condemned.....and then crucified and died at 3:00 P.M. the 14th of Nisan 30 A.D. He was then interred in the tomb at sunset as the Feast of Unleavened Bread was beginning throughout the Jerusalem community.

37 posted on 04/07/2015 2:45:23 PM PDT by Diego1618 (Put "Ron" on the Rock!)
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