Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: StormPrepper; Elsie; caww; Alamo-Girl; Colofornian; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana
Luke 13 was written to you, Mormon. You are following a false prophet being led to your destruction by denying 'the power thereof', The Holy Spirit. You do not comprehend the Church is not an institution, it is the body of believers in His atonement and who share the Holy Spirit of promise Who came to indwell at Pentecost and has not left the Earth since that day. The great lie of joe smith was that the Church (as he mistakenly saw it, an institution doling out 'graces from the hierarchy') is an organization headed by men supposedly being led by a prophet, imaginarily being inspired by the god of Mormonism.

The 'prophet' of Mormonism has been found to deceive people, openly, on TV no less. This is not a prophet of God, it is a blind leader of the blind. The Lorenzo Snow couplet stands as witness to the foolishness that is Mormonism.

To YOU Paul wrote, 2 Timothy 3:1-5
Verse 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Verse 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves (Earning His Grace by all that you can do!), covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Verse 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Verse 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Verse 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

The power thereof is The Holy Spirit within, guiding the regeneration of the fallen man. By claiming you must earn this Grace, you are denying the Holy Spirit, denying the power thereof.

242 posted on 04/23/2015 10:18:13 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 239 | View Replies ]


To: All; StormPrepper; Salvation; caww; Mark17; RnMomof7; Tennessee Nana
Let's see if we can illustrate this concept of 'the power thereof'.

First, if you have a child, you are to raise up that child in the way that they should go. You don't beat it into that child, you don't withhold food, shelter, and love from that child until they can show they have earned it.

You love that child so you grow that child gradually into the person who will know the right way through a life of growing into adulthood. The suckling baby is not fed strong meat in the beginning. You do not withhold blessing to the child until they prove themselves worthy. You instill in the child as it grows toward adulthood The Way. So it is that God grows us as we mature in The Way, by His indwelling nature as The Holy Spirit.

Now how does God tell us He is raising up His children in the way that they should go? ... Well, by indwelling them when they are 'born again' in this life, still on this earth, in order that they can 'see the Kingdom of God'. As Jesus showed Nicodemus:

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? (Nicodemus is asking the question you refuse to ask, regarding how it is that The Holy Spirit can indwell while we are on the earth.)

Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Jesus tells Nic how God in the Holy Spirit is to be here on Earth, so that those indwelt may then see/enter into the kingdom of God, the Heavenly things. When Paul wrote to Timothy about 'denying the power thereof, he was explicitly pointing to this indwelling, and if there is no evidence of the character of God coming out in the behavior of the man, that man is not under 'the power thereof, the guiding loving power of The indwelling Holy Spirit.

Jesus uses the present tense with Nicodemus, showing that being born again is something happening now, not 'after all that you can do. Paul tells Timothy that to deny the power thereof is to deny The Holy Spirit the right to transform in the now, a process God accomplishes at the spirit level in the here and now, preparing the believer, the born again to live in His Kingdom. That preparation is GOD raising a new born up in the Way that should go, by the daily indwelling and transforming Holy Spirit.

If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Peace be with you, be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.

244 posted on 04/23/2015 10:51:41 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 242 | View Replies ]

To: MHGinTN
Yea, you better call for help...

Luke 13 was written to you, Mormon.

You say this...pointing your finger at me...

And then quote this:

Verse 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves (Earning His Grace by all that you can do!), covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Verse 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Verse 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Verse 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


Pay close attention to "fierce", "despisers of those that are good", heady, highminded (as you accuse others)..

A form of godliness is all you have MHGinTN. Because you have nothing else. Truly.

So, you think Paul was talking everyone but yourself?

You should have kept going, this is my favorite chapter of the Bible. I wonder why you didn't finish it?

2 Tim 3:
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

Jannes and Jambres were priests in Pharoah's court. In the last days, these people will resist the prophet just like they did the prophet Moses.

Having a form of godliness but resist the prophet. They are false accusers, fierce, despisers of those that are good.

Now, what was that you said about Lorenzo Snow?

The power thereof is The Holy Spirit within, guiding the regeneration of the fallen man. By claiming you must earn this Grace, you are denying the Holy Spirit, denying the power thereof.

The power that he's speaking of is everything you deny. God speaks to man directly today, God giving more of His word in additional scripture, priesthood power, the power to exalt, etc...

You only believe what you want from the few scriptures you accept. Now that is denying the power of God.

Matt 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

James 2:22
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

John 9:4
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Revelation 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

The list of scripture talking about the necessity of works goes for pages and pages. It's that important that every prophet and Apostle spoke volumes on it. And that's just what we have written down, who knows how much they talked about it in life.

Rev 20 details why....that's how you'll be judged. Your works will witness to what you truly believed.

If your works are unacceptable to the Lord, you're cast out.

Luke 13:
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Luke 13 says clearly that the Lord judged these people's works to be wrong and cast them off. And the people he's rejecting are people that believe on Him. They think they know him. Your "believe only to be saved" theory is against the Lord's own words.

You better believe proper works matter or you will be judged to be without faith at the last day.
246 posted on 04/23/2015 12:11:40 PM PDT by StormPrepper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 242 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson