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Is Ted Cruz Eligible for the Presidency?
The Daily Signal (Heritage Foundation) ^ | March 24, 2015 | Elizabeth Slattery

Posted on 03/28/2015 4:05:00 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Arthur McGowan

Yes, I’m telling you that in 2013 several people who are knowledgeable about software applications downloaded photographic images of the Barack Obama Long Form Birth Certificate, used a standard workflow on a Xerox Workcentre 7655 and were able to duplicate the document that appears on the whitehouse.gov website.

I am not personally knowledgeable enough to describe in detail all the steps of their research but since several researchers all came to the same conclusions about the processes used to reproduce (not produce) the whitehouse.gov pdf image and since the primary opposition, the Maricopa County Cold Case Posse, has been mute since 2013 when the digital reprographic experiments were conducted...well each of us can come to our own conclusions.
There are two conflicting theories: forgery vs algorithmic anomalies produced from a standard software application workflow. Perhaps someday people smarter than me will decide.
Since you’ve never seen the original document and have only seen digital reproductions of it on a computer screen, how would you or anyone else know anout “typefaces from six different typewriters?”


181 posted on 03/31/2015 10:49:07 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Nero Germanicus

In other words, some Obama operatives SAID they reproduced all the anomalies in the PDF with the push of a single button. Your argument consists ENTIRELY in: “I believe them.”

Thank you for responding to my question about the typewriter typefaces.

The presence of the typefaces from different mechanical typewriters on the “birth certificate” proves that the image did not originate from a piece of paper, for the simple reason that no nurse or clerk would run around an office, sticking the “birth certificate” into one make of typewriter, typing few letters or a word, pulling the document out, rolling it into another typewriter, typing another few letters or a word, rolling it out, sticking it into another typewriter, etc. And the typewriters would have to be different makes. Most offices with multiple typewriters would have several typewriters of the same make. That’s how procurement works.

A digital file and a computer screen are incapable of representing typewriter type with sufficient accuracy to enable the viewer to distinguish the typeface of a Remington from an Underwood from a Smith-Corona???

If you are going to retreat into that extreme degree of agnosticism, then you are admitting that the PDF constitutes NO EVIDENCE that any “birth certificate” exists.


182 posted on 03/31/2015 11:30:14 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Someone has said that there are different typefaces but as no one has examined the original document and all investigations have been conducted via digital reproductions of the original document, the analysis is flawed.
For the last time, it would be a good thing to get a judge or a congessional committee to issue a court order or subpoena for inspection of the original birth document by qualified expert witnesses.
I would be very supportive of that happening even seven years late.


183 posted on 03/31/2015 11:32:26 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I have been into discussions on eligibility for POTUSA for a long time. I believe much of the dissention centers around personal wishes. Your posting gave me some more light and thoughts on the matter. The commas must have had meaning for the Founders as they were very astute and versed men. As I recall from my English grammar training decades ago commas were to be used to delineate connected phrases/thoughts. If so and in accord I take the construction as written to say that at the time there were ‘natural born’ citizens’ i.e. on US soil and there were also other persons e.g. from overseas taken as ‘ Citizens of the United States’ at That Time. I tend to believe the Founders intentionally meant to distinguish between ‘now’ and the ‘future’. No problem for me.


184 posted on 03/31/2015 11:43:52 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Nero Germanicus

There are different typefaces on the PDF image.

NO actual paper birth certificate would bear different typefaces because NO nurse or clerk would dash from typewriter to typewriter to typewriter to typewriter to typewriter to typewriter in order to fill out a form.

Therefore, the PDF is not an image of any actual paper birth certificate.

In other words, the PDF is a fake, fraudulent, phony, digitally-assembled forgery. By its manifest preposterousness, it is POSITIVE EVIDENCE that no actual Hawaiian birth certificate for Obama exists.

It was like pulling teeth, but you finally admitted that the PDF constitutes evidence that Obama has no Hawaiian birth certificate.


185 posted on 03/31/2015 11:51:15 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

The official Hawaii birth certificate (the short form computer abstract) has been available to be viewed on the Internet since June 10, 2008.

The digital image of the Obama long form birth certificate has been on the Internet since April 27, 2011 (and its still there). If anyone has evidence of forgery, they should have presented it to a prosecutor, years ago.

While birthers talk about typeface differences; judges and members of Congress are interested in a certification stamp and a Seal on a document showing birth in the U.S. and age 35.

And of course there is the August 13 & August 14, 1961 corroborating evidence of the date and place of birth in the “Health Bureau Statistics” articles in the Honolulu newspapers.

On August 31, 1961 Barack Obama Senior was interviewed by the Immigration and Naturalization Service concerning a requested extension of his student visa and he told the INS that he had an American citizen wife and a child born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961.
http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/07/INS-6.jpg
There was no need to fabricate a birth certificate.


186 posted on 03/31/2015 4:47:25 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Arthur McGowan

People who were interested in this issue conducted software experiments with the Obama LFBC pdf image. They posted their findings and the steps they took so that ANYONE could try to duplicate what they did and observe the results for themselves.
Replication of an experiment is a key component of utilizing the scientific method,
One of the people who evaluated the findings is a Brazillian computer scientist named Ricardo de Queiroz. The 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, and 13th U.S. patents ever issued on Mixed Raster Content (MRC) compression were granted to Ricardo de Queiroz and his team.
It was suspected that MRC compression accounted for the artifacts observed in the Obama LFBC image.
Evaluation of Obama PDF File by Professor Ricardo de Queiroz

There is no possible way I can tell if the PDF of President Obama’s birth certificate (POBC) made available by the White House is a “forgery” or not. The forgery can happen before being processed not to mention that the paper document itself could be forged, before the scanning. Thus, this is not the point.

The question is whether all these artifacts we see after rendering the PDF of POBC are signs of forgery. I do not see that. I see them more likely as a result of inadequate processing.

The document has poor quality and it has been aggressively processed, no questions about it. The question is whether the corruptive processing was individual with the intent of forging it, or if it was automated within regular MRC segmentation.

If it was a forgery it was a very sloppy job. Any photoshop-knowledgeable person, of the garden variety, can do a much better job than that. If it is automated, it is a lousy job too, but bear in mind that algorithms for these jobs are not trained on specific documents. They were more likely developed, trained and tested on magazine pages and books. A US birth certificate is unlikely to give good results because it may be an outlier in the big picture of all documents they had in mind when developed their MRC tool.

MRC is about separating the single-image document into multiple layers, hopefully each one with a given characteristic. This has to be done automatically, in what we call segmentation. What I see in the document are signs of MRC segmentation consistent with strategies in line with the techniques pioneered by DjVu. I (and my students) do not advocate doing the segmentation that way, but that is not the point either. In fact, I would not be surprised if the software which segmented the WH document was derived from some DjVu tool.
[Continued in next post]


187 posted on 03/31/2015 5:31:17 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Nero Germanicus

Part Two: Evaluation of Obama PDF File by Professor Ricardo de Queiroz

They first try to “lift” the text to another layer. They can find more than one type of text and place them in different layers. The rest is background and they compress with standard image compression methods. In the POBC
[President Obama Birth Certificate] I see lots of signs of that. It missed a lot of text, like the R in BARACK and in many other places. The missed text is aggressively compressed with JPEG for example, which justifies the damage to those text parts.

About the halos around some text: I am not sure why they do it, but it may be trying to suppress another halo problem caused by “lifting” scanned text that leaves some of the foreground in the background and vice-versa causing trouble to compress the layers. We wrote some papers about it. You can still see background through inside some “O” letters and inside the check boxes.

There might be morphological dilation around the text mask or the segmentation is block-based. The halo could be caused by the foreground in a dilated mask, or by processing the background. One plausible alternative is that the algorithm finds text as the letters with a bit of the surrounding background for safety. Some Adobe tools do that.

I see lots of signs of that. It missed a lot of text, like the R in BARACK and in many other places. The missed text is aggressively compressed with JPEG for example, which justifies the damage to those text parts.
About the halos around some text: I am not sure why they do it, but it may be trying to suppress another halo problem caused by “lifting” scanned text that leaves some of the foreground in the background and vice-versa causing trouble to compress the layers. We wrote some papers about it. You can still see background through inside some “O” letters and inside the check boxes.

There might be morphological dilation around the text mask or the segmentation is block-based. The halo could be caused by the foreground in a dilated mask, or by processing the background. One plausible alternative is that the algorithm finds text as the letters with a bit of the surrounding background for safety. Some Adobe tools do that.

Furthermore, the text is lifted to the foreground and sharpened (nearly binarized) making the background surroundings to disappear. When the text layer is pushed back onto the background plane the letter surroundings become halo. There is also some grayish lifted text, which was perhaps found to have different statistics and was then treated differently. The mask is binary, the foreground (text) can have any color or texture, or even parts of the background around the text. All these are conjectures; different algorithmic choices might produce similar results.

I took a birth certificate which has a similar background pattern, scanned and compressed using an older DjVu tool. It has shown the same problems as POBC, like text letters that were missed and sent to background, and multiple text styles. It didn’t have halo, though, because its algorithm decided to obliterate the whole background pattern. Perhaps if I had time to toy around with packages and parameters I might find something very close to what was used to generate the document shown by the WH, but I unfortunately do not have the time right now.

In summary I can only say I see much stronger signs of common MRC algorithmic processing of the image rather than some intentional manipulation.

Ricardo L. de Queiroz, Professor of Computer Science, University of Brasilia, Brazil
http://signal.ece.utexas.edu/~queiroz/resume/resume-consult.pdf


188 posted on 03/31/2015 5:55:55 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Nero Germanicus

“because scanning a piece of paper does not result in the layers, the varieties of resolution, the varieties of bit depth, the mixture of color and monochrome elements, and the multiple typewriter typefaces.”

That’s not completely true.

Open this document in Adobe Illustrator. It has layers similar to the White House PDF. The layers consist of one 8-bit color layer and multiple 1-bit layers. The 1-bit layers are a mixture of color and monochrome. There are pixel-for-pixel identical characters. There are white halos around the lettering. There are examples of X-Ray vision where a text layer covers colored background layers. The scaling of layers is identical to the White House PDF (48% for the background color layer, 24% for the text layers).

http://www.lowrynews.com/pictures/demand%20letter%20n%20response/Scanned%20from%20a%20Xerox%20multifunction%20device001.pdf

As for the type faces this was discussed on the following website.

http://raisedonhoecakes.com/ROH/2011/06/17/paul-irey-doesn’t-like-us-we-are-not-shedding-tears/


189 posted on 04/02/2015 5:38:27 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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