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Germanwings pilot was locked out of cockpit before crash in France
New York Times ^ | 25 March | Nikola Clark

Posted on 03/25/2015 5:11:16 PM PDT by varialectio

PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.

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To: Toespi

They don’t know. Could be both pilots were poisoned. Pilot one became ill and left hurriedly before a crew member could get in. Pilot two fearing terror blocked the lock then also succumbed.

Air crew tried but couldn’t get in.

Doesn’t explain the descent though.


221 posted on 03/25/2015 8:26:23 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Unmutual and Disharmonious)
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To: john mirse

Not a law. Just procedure. Someone has to visually check the door before opening for the returning pilot.


222 posted on 03/25/2015 8:27:02 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Shelayne

Don’t forget about investigating the rest of the crew. Suppose the one who may have temporarily replaced the pilot who left had terrorist/suicidal intentions, took out the pilot who remained, locked the cabin door, and intentionally flew the aircraft into the deck? This would require them to have A320 piloting knowledge I suppose. We live in very strange days indeed.


223 posted on 03/25/2015 8:27:15 PM PDT by Schoenstatter
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To: lodi90
Who knows? The crewman out of the cockpit is one solid link in the chain of events. How many more links are there and how do they fit? Your supposition may be correct in the end.

Controlled descent actually contradicts suicide or terrorism, unless the pilot in charge actually was aiming for a specific target. None was apparent. Lots of rocks and nothing else at the impact point.

Terrorism would usually involve the terrorist making a statement claiming a cause. The whole goal of a terrorist attack is to gain attention and an audience.

A suicidal person most likely would take the shortest route from 38K to the ground, not an 8 minute descent.

Drugs may be involved. The pilot in the cockpit scammed the other pilot out to take drugs unwitnessed. Could have been an OD or the pilot was just out of it. That scenario doesn't account for a controlled descent though.

There is also rampant speculation in the thread about the pilot in charge being disabled due to health issues. That happens but would be an exrtrordinary coincidence.

Just too little information right now

224 posted on 03/25/2015 8:27:48 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: roadcat

Flying while Muslim? Reminds me of EgyptAir Flight 990.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990

Air Crash Investigations Death and Denial EgyptAir Flight 990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKF1EARrnKI


225 posted on 03/25/2015 8:28:29 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: varialectio

At that point, at 38,000 feet, wouldn’t the plane be on auto pilot?
If it was on auto pilot and remaining pilot in the CP had a heart attack why would he shut off the AP without the other pilot being in the cockpit?


226 posted on 03/25/2015 8:29:22 PM PDT by mowowie (`)
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To: varialectio

227 posted on 03/25/2015 8:29:38 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Rome2000

I’d like to see the names of the crew and a those on the passenger manifest.


228 posted on 03/25/2015 8:30:36 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Reno89519

Normal routine is for a flight attendant to join the pilot flying on the flight deck while the other pilot is going to the bathroom.


229 posted on 03/25/2015 8:30:50 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: pfflier

No. All you need to know is this: One pilot locked out. Impossible for him to remain locked out even if the other was incapacitated. Suicide. By muzzie or otherwise. End of story.


230 posted on 03/25/2015 8:31:40 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: TWhiteBear
Odd to say the least. But, any structure has it's structural limits. The description of the card being "missing" may be overly simplistic.

It would be stranger if the rest of the FDR guts were still there and the flash RAM was the only thing missing.

231 posted on 03/25/2015 8:33:00 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Jack Hydrazine

You hit the nail on the head. Must have been an Amish first officer.


232 posted on 03/25/2015 8:33:09 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Shelayne
Now that is interesting...if there was a sudden medical emergency from the co-pilot, there would be no reason for the keypad to be locked?

Unless this particular airplane wasn't set up that way...but it strains credulity that one of the pilots would leave the cockpit and then not be able to get back in by any means other than just relying on the co-pilot to open the door again.

Prayers for the victims, their families, local townspeople, and recovery workers...what a terrible thing to happen.

233 posted on 03/25/2015 8:34:21 PM PDT by 88keys (awaiting inspiration, but this is no time to go wobbly...)
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To: Tzfat
"Remember, all an incapacitated pilot has to do to allow cockpit entry is simply do NOTHING. The cockpit door lock has a fence built around it so even if you are slumped over the centre console you cannot prevent the door being opened from the outside.

"The door can easily be opened from the outside without ANY action whatsoever from the inside. It's specificially designed this way of course for the incap situation.

"I have flown the A320 for three separate UK operators. NONE of these required a member of Cabin Crew present in the Flight Deck when a pilot leaves for physiological reasons. What would be the point? The ONLY case that requires a member of Cabin Crew to be present is when the CCTV is broken and hence a second pair of eyes is needed to look through the peep hole to verify entry when the other pilot is returning from his toilet break allowing the remaining pilot to stay in his seat flying the aircraft and monitoring the radio at all times."

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234 posted on 03/25/2015 8:35:17 PM PDT by Praxeologue ( ')
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To: mowowie

And why put it into an off course decent?

Unfortunately, if the cause is speculated to be a medical issue, no pilot autopsy is possible here.


235 posted on 03/25/2015 8:36:01 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Even Malaysia Airlines revealed the names of the pilots right away..Germanwings won’t say their names, Im just assuming German Airlines, German Pilots


236 posted on 03/25/2015 8:37:19 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Tzfat

I just want to thank you for all of your insightful posts today. They have been very interesting to read and helpful as we try to grapple with this story.


237 posted on 03/25/2015 8:37:41 PM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: Praxeologue

Yup. Absolutely correct. Suicide. No doubt. Muzzie or Amish is the only question.


238 posted on 03/25/2015 8:37:51 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Praxeologue
"UK TV news - 'expert' suggesting that 1 component of CVR was so badly damaged in the impact, the timeline data was missing, so they can hear the audio but without knowing when it was recorded."

- - - - - -

"That would be a non-issue, as long as they can match even one word with ATC comms. The rest could be easily sync'ed from that."

pprune.org

239 posted on 03/25/2015 8:38:27 PM PDT by Praxeologue ( ')
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To: Tzfat

Quick call CNN. You can be their expert.


240 posted on 03/25/2015 8:39:10 PM PDT by pfflier
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